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2016/04/17 22:26:35
Tripecac
I've got my powered speakers connected to my music computer now.  They aren't centered, which is a bit of a pain, but at least they give me a second "glimpse" of what a song's mix is like. 
 
Unfortunately, they still don't sound as boomy as the stereo in the lounge.  So, I still need to compensate for [apparent] lack of bass while mixing. 
 
Is there a quick way to get a visual summary of the bass/treble balance of a song?  Sort of how we can quickly spot loud and quiet parts by looking at a waveform in a standard audio editor? 
2016/04/18 09:47:24
Anderton
The QuadCurve EQ flyout. Other than that Voxengo's Span is a free spectrum analyzer.
2016/04/18 11:15:48
bitflipper
Here's what you have to be wary of: falling into the trap of assuming any one of your reference playback systems and spaces is the one that sounds "right", and attempting to correct your mix to suit it.
 
When I got my first set of proper studio monitors, I expected them to fix everything. I was unhappy with how my mixes sounded in the car, which was equipped with what I'd been led to believe was a very good system. I also had a decent stereo in my TV room, but didn't like its sound, either. I'd also tested on friends' stereos and in one semi-pro studio - none of which sounded like my home studio.
 
My epiphany came when I realized that each reference system sounded bad in a different way. The car was boomy, my rec room system was thin, and my friends' stereos all exhibited varying degrees of too much bass.
 
That's when it hit me that no alternate playback system could be trusted to establish a baseline reference. I was going to have to try and achieve that in my studio, to somehow create an environment that was honest and middle-of-the-road, and then EQ my mixes for the statistical center. And to accept the reality that my mixes would never sound as good anywhere else.
 
Around that time I read Bob Katz's book, Mastering Audio, which argued for exactly such an approach. I also read the Master Handbook of Acoustics, which explained why having good speakers doesn't guarantee accuracy. I learned how to analyze my room so that I'd at least have a picture of how it was lying to me.
 
Slowly, the puzzle pieces fell into place. The first step was rearranging my room to mitigate resonances, followed by the addition of acoustical absorbers. Later, I moved my operation out to the garage where I could leverage the larger space and install more extensive acoustic treatments. The bigger room meant fewer problem resonances, and my speakers could be positioned far from walls.
 
But the single most effective action was to assemble a collection of well-made commercial recordings to use as audio references. I analyzed them for spectral and dynamic characteristics, and - most important - sat and listened to them for hours on my monitors. Voxengo SPAN was an indispensable tool, as was Adobe Audition. You can't do it by visual aids alone, but you can at least establish an acceptable range and know when you've gone outside it.
 
I'd read an excellent book called Sound Reproduction by Floyd Toole, which I highly recommend. It talks about the link between acoustics and perception, how our ears naturally compensate for aural flaws, and how your brain can train itself to recognize what a good mix sounds like regardless of the environment. Trippy stuff, but grounded in science and it really works.
 
Nowadays, I rarely look at spectral graphs. Not because they aren't still useful, but simply because I no longer need to rely on them. Ten years listening to the same speakers in the same room has trained my brain to know when it's right or not right. SPAN still resides on every master bus, but it's mainly there to show me the ultra-low frequencies that I can neither hear nor reproduce.
 
 
 
 
2016/04/18 11:27:26
Anderton
The discussion of headphones vs. speakers is useful, but remember the main reason for bass-heavy mixes is room acoustics. The wavelength of a bass note is often less than the dimensions of a room, so there's a lot of cancellations. To overcome the cancellations you mix the bass higher than it should be.
 
Although there are many ways to tune a room I did what was suggested earlier in this thread, having an EQ setting to put in the master bus. I generated a slow sweep tone and measured the sound level in the mixing position with a flat reference mic. From there it wasn't too hard to come up with a curve that compensated. My room isn't bad in terms of acoustics, so it just required a slight dip at 121 Hz and a 1.5 dB shelving boost below 70 Hz.
 
Of course you're doomed to having your mix at the mercy of someone's playback system, but if your mix sounds good on a flat system, then you can take some consolation from the fact that everything the person plays will sound equally bad, including your music 
2016/04/18 13:51:37
bapu
Pricey but effective if you MUST mix on headphones.
 
Ultimate Ears In Ear Reference Monitors
 
I have them and they really are "flat" IMO.
2016/04/18 16:46:11
John
One useful way to tune your system is with a hardware 31 band graphic equalizer placed between the output of your sound card and before the amplifier to your monitors. Play a good sampling of commercial recordings to hear any problems. Use material you know well that is full range. Take your time at this and be a little critical. Do this over days not just once and forget about it. You can use the technique Craig outlined too. I would use an SPL meter if you have access to one. You may readjust the equalizer but refrain from making big changes to it as you become accustomed to it.    
 
 
2016/04/18 18:16:50
tenfoot
I use IK multimedia ARC 2. It is for room tuning, but also has a great feature for testing mixes in various environments. Works really well.
 
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/arc/
 
2016/04/18 18:19:12
bapu
Another satisfied ARC 2 user here too.
2016/09/03 21:45:11
Tripecac
This mix issue is still plaguing me.  I've tried to reduce the bass before mix down, but that's not fixing the problem. 
 
What I'm finding is that it's not the high level of bass that is the problem; it's the lack of treble.  I just listened to a few recent tracks with a new computer, hooked up to my stereo, and they all sound muffled.  I played them with VLC, and used VLC's EQ to increase the treble, and the tracks sounded great again.  And the the bass sounded fine too.
 
So, I don't need to reduce the bass; I need to increase the treble of the entire song before mix down.
 
I think the simplest way to do this is to put an EQ effect on the master track.  When I am ready to mix down, enable the EQ effect, and crank up the treble, ignoring the fact that the track might seem too trebly with my mixing headphones.  Then mix down.
 
Does that sound like a decent strategy?
 
Or is there another type of effect (or tactic) I should be using to improve the treble balance prior to mix down?
2016/09/03 21:50:08
BobF
sharke
I keep meaning to pick up that Sonarworks system for my ATH-M50's. I couldn't do without ARC2 on my monitors so why am I denying myself the possibility of flat cans as well? It would also make my VRM box way more useful. 
 
ARC2 is like putting contact lenses on my monitors, the effect is incredible. I have all of my system audio wired through it via Virtual Audio Cable and Pedalboard2. Spotify goes through it, YouTube, Netflix, everything. I'd love to be able to slap Sonarworks on for my headphones as well. 




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