I can undrerstand why the bakers put notation at a low priority. Going from standard notation to midi is straight forward. However going from midi to standard notation is very difficult, and in some cases impossible (when you have parallel lines moving at different times). So a program like Notion, which notation is emphesized over recordng, is very diffferent from a DAW who's emphasis is on recording. 

I'm not trying to excuse the bakers for not attempting to make the staff view better though, and I think outsourcing the development of staff view (or say a more direct way of embedding Notion into sonar as a replacement for staff view) would be an excellent compromise if the developers are spead too thin to work on an in-house solution.

Jimbo 88


ahhh...I'm not so excited anymore.   This works and everything,  but since you have to "echo" the midi channels, it is really hard to work midi inside Sonar and Notion at the same time..a little clunky.

... aaaaannnnd for those that ask "why don't you just use finale/sibelius/notion/whatever"... this is why... some need the power of SONAR + the power of big boy notation... sadly these MIDI loopback, virtual audio cable, jiggerypokery hacks didn't work well in 2002 when I was trying to get tools working as one cohesive unit, and it's not a good solution now... oh well, I've said too much.

Jimbo 88


ahhh...I'm not so excited anymore.   This works and everything,  but since you have to "echo" the midi channels, it is really hard to work midi inside Sonar and Notion at the same time..a little clunky.

If everything needs input echo on, I was wondering how you could 'play' anything in, in real time.  All of the instruments would be sounding.  ...Sure could ruin a soft solo violin passage lol.
 
The old standby of, composing in Sibelius, importing midi files to Sonar for tweaking and assigning sounds, seems to be the most straightfoward at this point.  I still wish for better notation in Sonar, it would make things easier when you need to "tweek" some parts/sections.
 
I'm still running Sibelius 6.  I think 7 is X64 and can be Rewired into Sonar X64, no?  I almost upgraded just to try it, then we had the whole "Avid buying Sibelius" thing...which made me a bit skeptical to spend anymore money on it.

Would be nice if you can post a video about it!!! very interesting!
i would love to use a real notation program in my sonar tracks!

I didn't know this was such big news!!! I have been rewiring Notion and Sonar for literally years!!! Posted here several times.

I have Sibelius 7 First (7.3.1) but it doesn't show up as a rewire device in Sonar.  Anyone know how to fix that so it shows up?

Sidroe
I didn't know this was such big news!!! I have been rewiring Notion and Sonar for literally years!!! Posted here several times.

 
Hey Sidroe,   this thread is three years old.  I gave up on the rewire thing.  I've fallen back on the compose in the notation app and export midi into Sonar thing when I need notation to compose. 

It just baffles me how much Sonar tries to better itself and want to draw more people to it but won't upgrade it's  notation tool.   When every Daw software come up with a new major update to it's  platform, the Notation software  portion of it is always updated.
 
C'mon Bakers, sometime during my lifetime updates, update the notation portion of Platinum.

Supposedly Notion 6 is capable of sending MIDI via rewire. Has anyone got that version and Sonar playing well together? If so what is the workflow?

I believe Sonar can't (yet?) use the midi via rewire that Notion 6 sends. I upgraded to Notion 6 but haven't had a chance to try it myself yet. As far as I know Studio 1 can do this with Notion 6 while other daws need to use a loopbe type solution. Bummer but hopefully SPlat picks this up quickly as a way to alleviate some of the heat from the staff view aficionados.