• SONAR
  • Sonar Platinum on lowest end hardware, the first expierence
2016/07/01 06:20:51
azslow3
My daughter has Windows based low end tablet for school works, and since I am (successfully) used Sonar on old Atom based Nettop  and this tablet is faster in terms of gaming performance, I decide to give it a try with Sonar. Here is the first attempt story, before I forget the details.
 
The hardware:
Intel Atom X5-Z8300, 2GB RAM, 32 GM eMMC storage (but Sonar is installed on SD card), 10'' display 1280x800
Window 10 32bit
Price point: ~ 200 EUR.
 
Installation:
* I have tried CCC first. No Joy. It simply does not fit to the screen, the configuration button is not visible. But I have logged into my account there and I kept it installed (which was a good idea, see later).
* I have started Sonar installer from USB flash stick, custom installation to put everything on Samsung SD card (the card itself is fast, but the tablet is unable to use its full speed, so it is 3-5 times slower than eMMC)
* the installation took a bit longer than on usual PC, but that is ok.
 
First attempts to run Sonar:
Sonar was starting fine. After adjusting panels (Sonar defaults are definitively for bigger screen), everything looks reasonable. There was no question about registration, "About" shows that I am registered. I guess that is the consequence of having CCC installed (nice!). But any attempt to produce a sound  (add audio track, insert TTS-1) and Sonar freeze. Even in case I save the project before doing anything, the project was corrupted after freeze.
 
 
Audio mode settings:
I have found that the default setting is MME, which was coursing the freeze. Changed to WDM and it does not freeze any more. But whatever I have tried, I have not managed to get any sound in WDM mode.
 
I have installed ASIO4ALL and switched to ASIO mode. And the sound is finally there! I have adjusted the buffer to 384 and I could play TTS-1 piano with on-screen keyboard without glitches So, ASIO4ALL and Sonar in ASIO mode is the only combination which works for me.
 
I have connected my LivePlay GTX. 2 tracks recorded plus TTS-1 piano track. The buffer had to be adjusted. With the buffer 512 I could record without apparent drops. CPU load was not in the upper part, but I guess SD card+WiFi are not perfect conditions for low latency recording. Also I was unable to go lower then 300+ with LivePlay connected to my primary computer. It will be interesting to test what is possible with a "real" audio interface.
 
 
Touch screen usability:
I have not found how to select clip and some other operations, which are normally done with left mouse clips, are for some reason was not working for me. Also all controls are so small that using them is almost impossible. Switching panel or resizing anything is a nightmare. My current conclusion: Sonar is not prepared to be used with small touch screen.
 
But in general: it is possible to use the latest Sonar to do recording on lowest end hardware. I do not think that is an alternative to notebook / multi-tracker recording, primary because of limited touch functionality. But it looks promising.
 
Please note that the whole post is about 1 hour test.
 
2016/07/01 08:07:24
trtzbass
Thanks, very interesting
2016/07/01 08:31:39
Grem
Good review. I have a AMD machine with Realtek sound and I can do some things that I didn't think would be possible with low end drivers.
2016/07/01 08:48:02
AntManB
Thanks for this.  I have a tablet with very similar (if not identical) specs. and it had crossed my mind to give this a try but I decided it probably wasn't worth the trouble because I thought it would only have a slim chance of working.  Based on your experience I'm definitely going to give it a shot.
 
AMB
 
2016/07/01 09:06:29
rebel007
Wow, and here I was thinking I was doing well getting Sonar to work on my older i5 750.
2016/07/01 11:43:10
pwalpwal
Nice to hear an asio4all success story! :-)
2016/07/01 14:17:26
azslow3
pwalpwal
Nice to hear an asio4all success story! :-)

I always had asio4all success stories. Just sometimes it is required to read (understand and apply) its documentation. That part is usually responsible for "unsuccess stories"...
2016/09/06 11:54:43
jimfogle
Interesting.  Thank you for sharing your experience.
 
I would have thought the more simple the computer, the easier it would be to install and use Sonar.  Your experience indicates many of the Sonar defaults do not anticipate simple computer use.  Perhaps Cakewalk can change some defaults to make installation on small computers easier.
2016/09/06 12:44:56
telecharge
I missed this one the first time around. The specs in the OP match a 2-in-1 convertible I recently purchased.
 
If you're looking for a mobile alternative, check out Stagelight. It runs on Windows and Android. Stagelight 3 is in the works with an iOS version to be released.
 
Thanks for sharing, az.
2016/09/11 14:05:34
AntManB
Finally got round to trying this on my Windows table (a Linx 1010). I wasn't that interested in using the onboard sound so I hooked it up to my Focusrite 6i6 and was pleasantly surprised at how well it works.  I thought memory might be an issue as it only has 2Gb but it seems to cope well enough to do some basic tracking.  The main reason I wanted to try it is because my main PC is pretty noisy so I should be able to use this when recording vocals and acoustic guitar (most other things I record by DI or generate in-the-box).  Great to have another option - thanks for azslow3 for the idea.
 
AMB
 
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