outland144k
 
Actually, it's only on this forum that I've heard the term turned on its head as it is here. I believe it occurred when the OP set the terms of the question. Everyone just followed suit in the thread, not questioning the use of the terminology. Can you actually quote another musician stating that "he" or "she" was endorsed by a company? I can't think of one musician to so claim. OTOH, musicians endorse products all the time (and are happy so to do as it generally means the exchange of goods and/or cash).
 
Especially given the fact that you've already admitted to the error, I actually and certainly can complain if I want to.  And language does count for something.
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Or one can be more like Voltaire and insist on the definition of terms, if one must. Then we can proceed in meaningful conversation.
 
But complaining? That's definitely within my purview.
 

Well, of course you can complain if you want to. I didn't mean you were not allowed to complain about the way others use language. I just meant it wouldn't get you anywhere, as people know what they mean by "endorse," even if they use the term "incorrectly." And what they mean is that some company or manufacturer gives them free stuff or sponsors a tour or something like that, and in exchange they use -- or pretend to use -- the free stuff and say nice things about it in public.
 
Language evolves. It's not always pretty, and if you happen to be around to witness the beginnings of a new mutation, it can be uncomfortable. But on the bright side, your children's children will be unconcerned about this.

After seeing the Fredrick Lebayle endorsees, I'm gonna buy one and I don't even have a saxophone.

Larry Jones

outland144k
 
Actually, it's only on this forum that I've heard the term turned on its head as it is here. I believe it occurred when the OP set the terms of the question. Everyone just followed suit in the thread, not questioning the use of the terminology. Can you actually quote another musician stating that "he" or "she" was endorsed by a company? I can't think of one musician to so claim. OTOH, musicians endorse products all the time (and are happy so to do as it generally means the exchange of goods and/or cash).
 
Especially given the fact that you've already admitted to the error, I actually and certainly can complain if I want to.  And language does count for something.
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Or one can be more like Voltaire and insist on the definition of terms, if one must. Then we can proceed in meaningful conversation.
 
But complaining? That's definitely within my purview.
 

Well, of course you can complain if you want to. I didn't mean you were not allowed to complain about the way others use language. I just meant it wouldn't get you anywhere, as people know what they mean by "endorse," even if they use the term "incorrectly." And what they mean is that some company or manufacturer gives them free stuff or sponsors a tour or something like that, and in exchange they use -- or pretend to use -- the free stuff and say nice things about it in public.
 
Language evolves. It's not always pretty, and if you happen to be around to witness the beginnings of a new mutation, it can be uncomfortable. But on the bright side, your children's children will be unconcerned about this.

Of course, language "evolves". And I guess someone might say "it's not often pretty or comfortable" (though I doubt I would say that; I'm not much of a stickler for definitions, per se, I just appreciate clear verbiage designed to communicate, not obfuscate.) It's just that the language hasn't "evolved" in this case. It is simply being misused, right here, in this thread, dear sir. 
 
You can disprove me, if you so desire: merely find several examples from real life where it is expressly stated that a company endorses an artist who uses its products in that many words and using that language. If the language has "evolved" as you maintain regarding the word "endorse", this should not be all that difficult. The evolution of language is not an isolated happenstance and one thread on the Cakewalk Forum would not be enough to justify the use of the term. Such examples should be fairly commonplace. So far in this discussion, some have informally departed from the common usage of the word "endorse", turned it on its head 180 degrees, and wondered what such an endorsement would look like. That's fine, as long as we understand what we have done with the language. At the end of the day, however, such misuse is not enough to warrant the use of the term "evolve" to denote what has happened on one thread. 
 
So, I ask you, sir: where exactly are other examples (specifically) of the word "endorse" used in the manner you so describe as this lexicographical "evolution"? I raised the issue regarding the error of the terminology precisely because I realized I had never (to my recollection) seen the term used in the manner it was used in this thread before anywhere. But, I hasten to add, I may be in error. My life experience here on the East Coast is certainly plausibly limited. Just where exactly have you seen the definition of the word "endorse" used in the manner it is used here in this thread? Generalities, of course, would necessarily be verboten for our purposes in this case. The evolution of a word cannot be proven by broad anecdotal impression.
 
I await your specific examples illustrating such a use of the word "endorse."

That is four demands in one comment for literal, verbatim proof of my assertion. And it seems as if you want published quotes from other digital or print sources, as you make it clear that I don't get to cite my own impressions. Unfortunately for me my statement is based on personal experience, conversations with folks I've met over the years. I wasn't expecting to one day be held to such a rigorous standard, and so I failed to ask for signed statements, and thus have no proof that meets your bar. In any case, based on your comments so far in this thread, you'd probably suspect forgery, or at the very least bad transcription.
 
So nice going, Mr. outland144k -- you win. But it remains my perception that we are seeing a blurring of the meaning of the concept of endorsement and that the trend will continue -- because there is no practical reason for it to stop -- until the accepted usage of "endorsement" loses the specific polarity it once had, e.g., "the Stan Kenton band endorses Lawton mouthpieces" vs. "Cakewalk endorses the OP."
 
And let me stipulate clearly here, this is my perception only. You still win.

bapu
Uh Oh. I thought # 1 and # 2 were about post count.
 
My bad.
 
Carry on.

It wasn't?

Larry Jones
That is four demands in one comment for literal, verbatim proof of my assertion. And it seems as if you want published quotes from other digital or print sources, as you make it clear that I don't get to cite my own impressions. Unfortunately for me my statement is based on personal experience, conversations with folks I've met over the years. I wasn't expecting to one day be held to such a rigorous standard, and so I failed to ask for signed statements, and thus have no proof that meets your bar. In any case, based on your comments so far in this thread, you'd probably suspect forgery, or at the very least bad transcription.
 
So nice going, Mr. outland144k -- you win. But it remains my perception that we are seeing a blurring of the meaning of the concept of endorsement and that the trend will continue -- because there is no practical reason for it to stop -- until the accepted usage of "endorsement" loses the specific polarity it once had, e.g., "the Stan Kenton band endorses Lawton mouthpieces" vs. "Cakewalk endorses the OP."
 
And let me stipulate clearly here, this is my perception only. You still win.

So noted. I'll celebrate tonight with a brew.