• SONAR
  • Lifetime updates deadline now December 31, 2016 ?? (p.15)
2016/09/09 21:57:18
kitekrazy1
So is there going to be a timer for how long the deal lasts?
 
At $199 it's still a good deal. For a brand new license at $499 is a good deal.  I'm in no hurry for when Live goes to 10 and having a Suite license. Should be some sticker shock there.
2016/09/09 23:12:39
kennywtelejazz
The Grim
kennywtelejazz
 
As we all know , there was a lot of hush hush involved at the time up until the deal broke to the general forum populace .
 



if i remember correctly there wasn't really that much 'hush hush' involved, as it was leaked pretty much immediately to everyone the contents of the emails even though cakewalk asked in those very emails that it no be spread around.
 

Sure we all can agree that there was a leak ,
Yet , How convenient , you chose to selectively quote me with out putting in the point I was going for
 
my words
As we all know , there was a lot of hush hush involved at the time up until the deal broke to the general forum populace .
When Cakewalk posted the original deal it may have caused a couple of unintended ripples amongst  some of the membership here   ....
 
The Grim

 
kennywtelejazz
 
.You be the man ...Yes sir ...you loyal ...all that with a join date of 2015 ...Rock On
 

 
join date has nothing to do with how long one has used sonar, i've owned sonar since pro audio 8/9 when ever that was, (although i now use another daw as my main daw, i still keep in touch) and i am sure that a lot of other folks 'join date' also does not correctly reflect the length of time they have used cakewalk products.
 
 


 
Once again you have selectively quoted me with out regard for context .......

this is what I said and its meaning is different then the bull jive your throwing back at me
 
I do understand that Cakewalk is doing what it feels is best as a company that wants to grow ...
The thing is ,
That Loyalty Word is a double edged Sword ...based on a consumerism type of theater/ definition  ...fine OK ..jump a few hops get a deal ...You be the man ...Yes sir ...you loyal ...all that with a join date of 2015 ...Rock On
 

As far as join date I may agree w you up until a certain point....whether your claim is bogus or not Honestly I don't care one way of another at all ...
 
Before I found Cakewalk ....
I was too busy playing guitar in a band as a sideman for select live shows with an Artist  that won 7 Grammys
 
The Grim
 
i jumped on the lifetime membership as soon as it came out, got it for $99, hardly even touch sonar anymore, but it will come in handy to keep an eye on things without any further expenditure. me i couldn't care less if the deal is extended to others, even if they gave it away for free to people tomorrow, it was a good enough deal for me at the time to jump, i'm happy with that. its life, sometimes you buy something and a little while latter you see it on sale, that's life, who cares? good luck to 'em i say


 
Finally we have something we can agree on  ...it sounds like you have it all in perspective ...
 
all the best,
 
Kenny
 

 
2016/09/09 23:31:00
kennywtelejazz
John
Actually I know exactly what you are saying and I must confess I too had some of those feelings. Check out my join date. It was just days after this forum opened. I was still on the newsgroup and was reluctant to make the move. I did and I have been here ever since. 
 
Through the years I have tried to help fellow users as much as I could. It seemed that none of that had any meaning. Yes I am a host. I think I am a fair one and I try to do my duty to the very best of my ability. All that said I can really understand your take on this. There is an echo of a little resentment to how CW has handled this. It isn't the first time nor will it be the last. 
 
However not just because I am a host I also saw a problem with the exclusivity of the way CW offered the first lifetime proposal. It meant those not able or aware would loose out of a very good offer. I was troubled by that notion. Even though I had been able to take advantage of the offer myself it was troublesome that many if not most were not included.
 
In the end my loyalty to my fellow users has been the means where I can except this new offer in a spirit of inclusion. It is that I see as the more important aspect of this whole thing. I would suggest it is made permanent. So all users can be included.
 
I hope you see this in the same light I see this. And be assured your post is taken in the same acceptance as it was offered. A very thoughtful post that touches on unspoken feelings I believe held by many.
 
We need to celebrate the idea of a real community where we all look out for each other.           




Hi John ,
 
Thank you for such a thoughtful reply
 
It is clear to me you got the gist of where I'm coming from ....
I'm just bringing up some of the unspoken stuff beneath the surface  ...
 
Yes, I hope the Whole House Divided thing ...passes soon ...so we can get back to this ...
in your own words ..
"We need to celebrate the idea of a real community where we all look out for each other."       
 
all the best,
 
Kenny
 
2016/09/10 09:59:02
DeeringAmps

Its just keeps getting <sarcasm>better</sarcasm>.
I'm not the only one who has suggested enough is enough.
Lock the thread....
 
T
2016/09/10 14:09:46
YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
Yeah, yeah. Make fun of me. Been here since cw9. Same old response whenever someone complains.
 
Talk about "adult" behavior: Why lock the thread? How about, if you don't want to read our tirades, DON'T READ THEM, instead of telling the admins to make it so you cannot resist.
 
Reality: 
We were told we would have a limited time offer that would result in great things. That's all. That does not constitute facts. That is marketing hyperbole.
 
What we got was a poorly thought through offer. And now an extension of essentially the same offer, based upon "user demand." That is marketing hyperbole.
 
We were repeatedly told, 'Give us money for Lifetime updates and you will get fixes for free.' That is marketing hyperbole.
 
"Give us your money and we will give you something free."    AHHHHHHH!!!!
 
And now the explanation for the extension is that it is the beginning of the holiday sale season so the offer is extended. I maintain that that should have been anticipated by the managers who thought up this strategy.
 
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Being angry is not being an adult?
 
I am unhappy because again i am being told nothing, and then as usual the fanbois start admonishing me to stop complaining and sit in the corner like a good little boy.
 
Every time anyone has real complaints the forum bullies tell the admins to stop the complainers.
 
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Example of displeasure: It was about five years to get color choices back. I should not be unhappy about that FACT?
 
 
2016/09/10 15:45:08
John
You haven't been here since CW9. Whatever that is. Maybe you mean Pro Audio 9.  This forum wasn't around then.
 
 
2016/09/10 16:00:17
John T
I can see the headlines now. BUSINESS IN PRICE OFFER SHOCK. Somebody call the cops.
2016/09/10 22:03:29
YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
John
You haven't been here since CW9. Whatever that is. Maybe you mean Pro Audio 9.  This forum wasn't around then.
 
 




You are so punny, in nitting your picks.
 
I have been using CW products since. And attending the newsgroup here, and elsewhere.
2016/09/10 22:27:38
YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
The primary purpose and responsibility of management is to “Anticipate and Prepare.”
 
All the supposition, speculation, and concern, about the company’s well-being, and all the questions about pricing, and specifics and definitions, should have been addressed in the initial offer. They were not.
 
Instead what we got, repeatedly, was marketing idiocy: “FREE LIFETIME updates for only 200 dollars.”
 
Obviously the details of the offer were not clear. Witness the hundreds of questions public and private, and the support messages and calls, including the hundreds of hours spent by CW personal that SHOULD have been avoided. That is evidence of lack of “Anticipation and Preparation.”
 
We are told all our lives: “An offer that sounds too good to be true probably is.”
“FREE Lifetime updates for only $200,” was rightfully suspected to be “too good.” So as reasonable adults we questioned the implications of what this offer might mean.
 
But for the next few weeks not one real trustworthy word about our concerns. Just more and more and more of FREE, HURRY, FREE, HURRY. Push, push, push.
 
“Buyer beware” is another tenet of life during wartime.
I was stung by Lexicon’s blatant fraud of dumping its audio interfaces knowing full well they would not work with win2000 and wXP.  (Hence, I refuse to use anything lexicon.) Should I not be distrustful of such a similar presentation?
 
To not be wary about "FREE FOREVER" would be irrational.
 
There are only two actual facts:
 
An offer was proffered to existing Platinum owners/subscribers promising lifetime rolling updates in exchange for $200 (adjusted for whatever reasons.)
 
A second offer has been made to all existing and new Sonar owners/subscribers promising lifetime rolling updates in exchange for various amounts.
 
Until “lifetime” has been clearly defined, and such time is actually achieved, there will be no factual evidence that the promise of “free lifetime updates” is true. That is how facts work.
 
We are given reasons for the change and the extension of the offer. But these are NOT facts. So far they are merely hearsay. Are they only the reasons decided to tell the public to justify the changes and betrayal? (Someone told us this FREE offer was a loyalty reward. Now obviously betrayed.)
 
Should I not be skeptical about these statements being the truth? We were told there was a limited time to buy “FREE LIFETIME updates for $200.” And then we learn the time limit was a joke. That those of us who responded were duped. Why should we not feel annoyed by this treatment?
 
Why should we not be unhappy about this? Why should we not express our feelings of being treated fraudulently? That proximity to the holiday sale season is reason enough for us to be satisfied that we were treated with truth and respect and reason? I don’t think so!
  Hurry! Hurry! Hurry!  That is now perceived as a lie.
 
To be told that the “managers” of the company actually had no clear idea about what they were doing, and that they just decided to throw some brown stuff at their customers to see what would stick, is more than insulting. “Just trust us. We know what we’re doing.” Obviously NOT!
 
That we were just part of an un-thought-through experiment: A barely structured Dead jam that may end anywhere at any time is the result of no clear “Anticipation and preparation.”
 
Meanwhile, back at the ranch, those of us who have being paying attention and have been expressing our dissatisfaction are allowed to be treated with personal attacks and derision by the forum bullies. 
 
Sad days for all of us.
 
2016/09/10 23:07:49
John
I think you have said too much. We tolerate some venting on this forum but you have stepped over the line. Thus I'm locking this thread. 
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