• SONAR
  • Mixing with headphones (p.2)
2016/09/09 02:22:57
pinguinotuerto
noynekker
pinguinotuerto
I do not have Monitorizer in my Anderton Collection.


I see it in my Anderton Collection,   . . . it is inserted into ProChannel FX Rack Menu
 . . . as - - -> FX Chain Preset\Anderton Collection\Processors\Monitorizer.fxc


Yes, I see it now. Not only in the Pro Channel, but also in the FX Bin.
Thanks Noynekker!  
2016/09/09 02:51:09
Boydie
I would suggest using a Focusrite VRM Box - it is a fantastic little device
2016/09/09 07:09:16
patm300e
This calibrates headphones so that your mixes transfer better.  They have headphone calibration curves for various headphones.  I have the cheapest ones they have a curve for $27.99!
 
https://www.amazon.com/Superlux-681-Dynamic-Semi-Open-Headphones/dp/B002GHIPYI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1473419302&sr=8-1&keywords=Superlux+681
 
Works well for me.  without the curve, the headphones are boomy...
 
2016/09/09 19:30:40
doment500
Boydie
I would suggest using a Focusrite VRM Box - it is a fantastic little device



I have been using the VRM for about 4 years now. I really like it. It is no longer in production so you might have to look on auction sites for them. 
2016/09/09 20:37:57
BRainbow
Its mentioned above, buy I'll add my 2 cents for Sonarworks.com - headphone calibration software.  They cover many top models.  You can also buy individually-calibrated headphones and get a personalized calibration plug-in file.  This is what I use and it is great.  Just put it in the master bus FX bin after everything else.  But don't forget to turn it off when you mixdown/bounce.
2016/09/10 11:08:26
tlw
I've been using a Sonarworks "generic" profile with a pair of Sennheisers for a while now. It definitely makes a difference in terms of compensating for the headphone's own frequency irregularities, but it still doesn't overcome some of the problems mixing with headphones produces such as not revealing left/right phasing issues that would be apparent using monitors.

Better than the "raw" headphones though. An alternative to Sonarworks where the manufacturer supplies a frequency plot for the headphones (which unfortunately isn't very common these days) is to create a reversal of that plot in an eq plugin and load that onto the bus that feeds the headphones. Adding something like Waves NX to replicate inter-speaker effects and add some ambience also helps I find. Just don't bother with the head tracking stuff, it's not needed.
2016/09/10 12:50:03
Anderton
MondoArt
I seem to recall something about there being a plug-in or FX chain or something in SPLAT that was for enhancing headphone monitoring by adding virtual room ambiance, etc. I can't find anything in SPLAT. Am I just making this up or was there something included? Part of Craig Anderton's stuff sounds familiar, but I'm not sure.



Actually it's not designed to "enhance" headphone monitoring, or compensate for frequency response issues in headphones by calibrating them; it's designed to address imaging. I made the Monitorizer for those people who need to work with headphones due to noise issues, neighbors, sleeping spouses or babies, etc. but don't like the super-wide stereo effect and prefer the experience of listening on monitors. This provides that function.  As the description says:
 
The Monitorizer FX Chain is specifically for those who use headphones and want a more “monitor-like” experience. Intended to be used as a send effect, Monitorizer helps eliminate the “super-wide” stereo sound of headphones to approximate an experience that's more like listening on monitors. It emulates the crosstalk that occurs naturally with left and right channels, as well as some room characteristics, to tame the unnatural, “super-wide” headphone sound.
 
Also note the Monitorizer must be used as a send effect. I did another send effect FX Chain, the "Sizzle Bus," and people who didn't read the documentation and tried to use it as an insert effect thought it didn't work.
2016/09/10 17:26:16
konradh
I found Craig's response very interesting because it is the extreme stereo image that throws me off with headphones.  The headphones I use are actually pretty close to my near fields in terms of EQ.
2016/09/10 18:34:30
vdd
Anderton


Actually it's not designed to "enhance" headphone monitoring, or compensate for frequency response issues in headphones by calibrating them; it's designed to address imaging. I made the Monitorizer for those people who need to work with headphones due to noise issues, neighbors, sleeping spouses or babies, etc. but don't like the super-wide stereo effect and prefer the experience of listening on monitors. This provides that function.





I am using the Monitorizer since a couple of weeks, after I discovered it again. It will not make bad headphones sounds great, but it is absolutly fantastic for longer headphone-sessions. It isn't as exhausting as listening to a raw headphone. But most important: If you mix on headphones, everything in the mix will go towards the center, because RCL sounds nasty in dual-mono. And that it is: a raw headphone mix is not stereo, it is dual mono. The Monitorizer fixes that.
I think that it is great and if you think, there must be a better solution - you are right. Take a look to the SPL Phonitor, as example, because a plug-in will neither fix a bad headphone amp nor bad headphones.
 
BTW: I asked that a couple of weeks before: Is anybody using the Monitorizer while mixing? Or am I a lonely wolf?
 
2016/09/10 18:37:08
MondoArt
Hmmm, this is interesting. For me, panning problems is the least of my problems. I do a "quick mix" just with pan and volume first, on my monitors. Then I switch to mono for EQ, compression and other effects. My problem is that my monitors (M-Audio 5") have an extraordinary lack of bass response. Basically, I've learned that if the bass is weak on my monitors, it's good.
 
I usually switch to my computer speakers (Logitech 2.1) to finetune the bass.
 
And still, the bass (kick and bass guitar) is never nice and tight and clear as professional mixes.
 
Basically, I want a good way to mix the bass, and thought mixing on headphones might help.  I still test on my computer speakers (with and without the subwoofer on) and in my car and on my bluetooth speaker and laptop too, but can never get the bass sounding really tight and clear.
 
 
 
 
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