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2016/05/13 21:07:58
bitflipper
Thanks for those numbers, steveo. That's about what I expected. Pretty amazing, when you think about it, getting 40 Hz out of such a small enclosure. I do like the sound of Dynaudio monitors.
 
 
 
2016/05/13 21:25:58
steveo42
You're welcome. I've seen that video before. Personally, the whole thing looks staged to me and that guy is the world's worst actor :)
He's like Ralph Kramden and Ed Norton from the Honeymooners when they try to make a TV commercial selling that kitchen gadget.
I'm dating myself here :)
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPq_lgtidbQ
 
Skip to 15:50 or so.
 
 
 
 
2016/05/13 22:05:35
Cactus Music
I agree there's something fishy. I hope he got a free set of the Presonus for posting that. But I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
  What I could hear was when he first switched from the NMS10 to the Events that the sound became louder and more low mid = mud.  When he goes back to the NMS10's you hear the snare and hats again. The hi end returned with the Presonus too, so unless he was cheating and processing the sound?.  
So all this did for me was confirm what I already know about NMS10's. There is no bottom end, everybody knows that and it's easily resolved with a small sub. I guess it all depend on the type of music your working with. I'm sure NMS10's suck if your mixing electronic music. But they work fine for standard rock and country. I also have my Alto 12" PA speakers in the studio which have turned out to be pretty amazing for the price. Little bit of hum, but overall very accurate for a PA speaker. 
2016/05/13 22:39:25
bitflipper
steveo42
He's like Ralph Kramden and Ed Norton from the Honeymooners when they try to make a TV commercial selling that kitchen gadget.
I'm dating myself here :)

You might be dating yourself, but trust me, you're not the only one in this crowd who'll get the Ralph Kramden reference. 
 
Evidence the guy in the video may be a shill: for starters, he says it's a "pre-production" unit, and where do you get a pre-production unit if not directly from the manufacturer? His YouTube channel's description is "Channel for the Artist producer / writer 5aint, Affiliated acts and / or products". It's also improbable that he hadn't heard them before - who starts recording a video without first checking connections and assuring that everything's working?
 
 
 
 
 
2016/05/13 22:44:11
steveo42
Bitflipper, if the Adams were doing it for you why not just update to another Adam model or maybe one of the Eve monitors which I believe are designed by a former Adam engineer. I have never heard the Eves but Adam because of the tweeter have a very unique sound to them. Some people love them and others hate them. Like everything else on earth. If you have been working with the Adams for a while it's going to be tough to switch to something other than Adam or possibly Eve (I just got that line! lol !) 
 
Like I said, Focal is probably the closest as they have a crisp sound similar to Adam.
Dynaudio is more laid back, some people liken them to hi-fi speakers which is a little harsh IMHO.
JBL within each model range offers a solid, dependable monitor. I've worked with several models (not the 305/308 though) and have always found them to be easy to mix on.
 
I tend to be conservative and prefer a smooth sound. I'm using Event ASP8 with Sonarworks and they are excellent for me and my mixes translate well. I have heard the 20/20 and 2030 Events but they sound flabby and muddy to me compared to the ASP8. I've also worked with the Opals and they are stunning monitors, especially for the price.
 
From what I am seeing of the current monitor market, the trend is toward ultra bright sounding monitors. I prefer the smoother sound as it's less fatiguing to my ears.
 
I would seriously take a trip to a local shop and listen.
Also there is Sonic Sense that do non partisan comparisons on YouTube. They are fairly accurate believe it or not. No substitute for in person listening but you might be able to shorten your list a bit. Here is one comparison:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFKnGNIa58c
 
 
 
2016/05/14 00:38:38
deswind
Event Opals would be what I would get and I have Focals with sub.
 
2016/05/14 02:57:43
Sycraft
Couple different thoughts from me:
 
--I tried the Sceptres and they were fine in general sound wise, but nothing special. I didn't have my socks knocked off like Saint. They weren't any better than my MTS-01s really. I also found them to be too noisy. Even with volume controls all the way down, and inputs unplugged they had audible hiss from the amps. Now I am fussy about this, but it was what I found so back they went.
 
--Wide sweet spot doesn't matter so much as what it would hopefully imply: Well controlled dispersion. Turns out that the most important things to good sounding speakers are: Flat FR, low distortion, and well controlled dispersion. Seems to hold true for basically all listeners in all rooms. If you want to listen to a very long, very good, talk on this kind of thing Dr. Floyd Toole gave a great one. Basically the long and short of it is you want high frequency sound to have the same characteristic on axis as it does off axis, just at lower levels.
 
To that end you could look at the JBL LSR4328P or LSR708i given that they were supposedly developed with this in mind and have graphs to show the dispersion and such.
 
Also I'll say what I say to anyone who will listen: Consider trying out Dirac. You can get it for a PC, or as a standalone unit form MiniDSP. I cannot believe just how much it can improve sound.
2016/05/14 03:29:19
Jeff M.
Heya Bit -
How about the Neumann KH 120's?
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/KH120/
 
Those are close to the top of my short list of monitor replacements next year.  
2016/05/14 10:11:38
bitflipper
Thanks for all the info, guys. Yes, the Neumanns get great reviews, but I'd need another sub to go with them, so they didn't make my list. And the Opals would definitely be on my list if they weren't three grand for a pair. I'm trying to keep it to $2k or less.
 
As steveo42 says, if I'm accustomed to ADAMs and like them, why not stick with that brand? They've come down in price since my last purchase, with the A8X now costing less than I paid for my P-11s. So the A8X has provisionally moved to the top of my list. The problem is I'm having trouble finding a local retailer that stocks them.
 
2016/05/14 10:54:22
JonD
I know a couple of studio owners who swear by their KRK VXT8s.
 
Just throwing them out there since they haven't been mentioned.
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