• SONAR
  • Disappointed with interface - plans to improve? (p.5)
2016/08/30 16:57:41
Anderton
Yes, if we had known the situation upfront, that would have changed the tone of the dialog for sure. But all we had to go on was "I am finding it very hard to use -- largely because the mouse pointer is so small that I spend half my time looking for it." The section under Settings to which I alluded is under the "Mouse" setting and specifically called "Pointer." Given that it appeared he was coming from a Mac, I thought what I presented solved his problem with the "mouse pointer." So when he said the problem wasn't solved, but didn't elaborate on what he meant by "cursor," I still didn't know what he meant.
 
20/20 hindsight is great, but it took until his third post to fully understand the problem being described. Had there been a location next to his avatar, that would have been helpful. From what I can tell, he is posting from outside this country, and English is not his native language.
 
I have noticed that when the country of origin is indicated and it's one where the primary language is not English, forumites are much more likely not to take what's written at face value, but ask more questions about the issue to make sure they understand what's going on.
2016/08/30 19:09:38
rontarrant
Why can't I delete a post?
2016/08/30 20:50:32
kitekrazy1
outland144k
kitekrazy1
 
 
 BTW could you change your font and size in your post, very difficult to read and I ignore a lot of your posts. It's even difficult to read on a 32 inch display.
 
 
 



I could change it, but I think that you are the only person to mention this. I do "this" for the same reason some people use different colors in their posts. I'll think about changing it. Sorry if it's caused you any grief, however! Thankfully, I don't say a lot worth noticing.
 
 




Make the font bigger.
2016/08/30 21:00:35
Anderton
bvideo
Now that leegee has spelled out his particular need, it might be revealing to reread the whole series of posts from a different point of view. It's an unfortunate exhibit, I think.



Misunderstandings happen, and when they do, there are really only three responses.
 
1. Ignore that it occurred.
2. Blame someone for it.
3. Analyze why it happened so hopefully it doesn't happen again, and move on.
 
I prefer 3.
2016/08/31 00:07:44
Keith Albright [Cakewalk]
leegee
...The main point of my post was in the title -- are there plans to improve?
Is there a roadmap for development?
Does anyone at Cakewalk read this forum?

Yes, we're continually improving.  Yes there is a roadmap, and Yes, Cakewalkers er Bakers do read the forum. :)
 
Sorry that your expectations with touch haven't been met.  Care to elaborate on what you are trying to accomplish?
We do have future plans to build upon the touch framework to cover more operations.
 
As for cursors, I see that our custom cursors are a fixed size by comparison to the large or extra large Windows set.  However, when Windows is using a large set, those are basically custom system cursors that happen to be larger.  We'd have to find a way to detect that Windows is using a larger set and also use larger SONAR specific cursors.  It would have been easier if Windows had a cursor size attribute where everything could realize n x n is the expected cursor size like you can for icons, please pick a cursor for that target size, but I digress. 
 
Anyway, after not finding a direct api for cursor size, I found a roundabout way to detect the size of say the normal cursor.  Not sure if the cursor hotspots would line up properly after scaling to match.  Will experiment.   
 
Keith
2016/08/31 06:56:55
patm300e
Keith Albright [Cakewalk]
Anyway, after not finding a direct api for cursor size, I found a roundabout way to detect the size of say the normal cursor.  Not sure if the cursor hotspots would line up properly after scaling to match.  Will experiment.   
Keith



Now THAT is responsiveness.  The director of development looking into your issue personally!  Probably not gonna get that from any other DAW (or any other software in general).
 
Kudos to Cakewalk for looking into this real issue for some of us aging users...May want to look at some of the 508 compliance stuff for ideas.  Not that I think that 508 is totally necessary, but there are ideas in there about making  interfaces better for those of us with disabilities.
2016/08/31 10:40:46
bvideo
Keith Albright [Cakewalk]
 
Anyway, after not finding a direct api for cursor size, I found a roundabout way to detect the size of say the normal cursor.  Not sure if the cursor hotspots would line up properly after scaling to match.  Will experiment.   
 
Keith




Just for fun, I wanted to mention that some of the extra large Windows aero cursors in W7 are flawed in their hotspots. Makes things like resizing windows very confusing.
2016/08/31 11:14:02
kitekrazy1
DrLumen
leegee
That was a lot of responses, and most of them quite unpleasant, so sorry to not have read them all -- the nastiness and the third-person is off-putting.
 
Since I have 20% eyesight, I've been adjusting Windows cursors for some time. I find the custom cursors in Sonar do not scale as large as Windows Extra Large cursors do -- screen shots of non-custom cursors are not relevant, since they are no problem. 
 
Someone said they 'don't see the point' to my post -- sorry if the title was not clear, nor my repeated exposition. 
 
Someone got it, though, and mentioned that 'of course' there is a road map --- but no link. Is there a public road map, then? It would be good for both customers and developers. Sonar has so much going for it, I don't want to have to buy what I consider an inferior product because of what I consider an antiquated interface (click different tools to select, delete, add, lengthen/shorten notes? Touch for Solo/Mute/Rec, but not to select the track?)
 
And to the clever person who pointed out Sonar started later than I used it -- well spotted: I should have said that I used Cakewalk in the late '90s, and switched to Sonar when it was released. Glad you took the time to raise that, it was very helpful.
 
I will buy BitWig, just to see how it works over a few weeks -- their community certainly seems less self-indulgent. 
 



I would say we are protective. If you go into a (DAW of your choice) forum and immediately request changes I would bet you get the same type of response. I don't know about everybody else but I'm tired of companies changing the UI for the mere sake of change. Changes that are more for style and fashion than functional. Perhaps that is not what you meant but UI changes are a sore spot for me. For someone to come in as a newbie and want changes, changes that would affect how the rest of us use Sonar, seems a bit rude. Perhaps rude is too strong of a word but considering "I" am self-indulgent then I'll let it lay.




 This is the main reason for all of the Windows 8 hate.  I disliked the Sonar GUI from v3-8 and wasn't going to sink another dime in it. The X series changed that.
2016/08/31 11:40:42
kitekrazy1
DrLumen
leegee
That was a lot of responses, and most of them quite unpleasant, so sorry to not have read them all -- the nastiness and the third-person is off-putting.
 
Since I have 20% eyesight, I've been adjusting Windows cursors for some time. I find the custom cursors in Sonar do not scale as large as Windows Extra Large cursors do -- screen shots of non-custom cursors are not relevant, since they are no problem. 
 
Someone said they 'don't see the point' to my post -- sorry if the title was not clear, nor my repeated exposition. 
 
Someone got it, though, and mentioned that 'of course' there is a road map --- but no link. Is there a public road map, then? It would be good for both customers and developers. Sonar has so much going for it, I don't want to have to buy what I consider an inferior product because of what I consider an antiquated interface (click different tools to select, delete, add, lengthen/shorten notes? Touch for Solo/Mute/Rec, but not to select the track?)
 
And to the clever person who pointed out Sonar started later than I used it -- well spotted: I should have said that I used Cakewalk in the late '90s, and switched to Sonar when it was released. Glad you took the time to raise that, it was very helpful.
 
I will buy BitWig, just to see how it works over a few weeks -- their community certainly seems less self-indulgent. 
 



I would say we are protective. If you go into a (DAW of your choice) forum and immediately request changes I would bet you get the same type of response. I don't know about everybody else but I'm tired of companies changing the UI for the mere sake of change. Changes that are more for style and fashion than functional. Perhaps that is not what you meant but UI changes are a sore spot for me. For someone to come in as a newbie and want changes, changes that would affect how the rest of us use Sonar, seems a bit rude. Perhaps rude is too strong of a word but considering "I" am self-indulgent then I'll let it lay.




 Yep.  I was in another DAW forum and requested a media browser will most DAWs have. Some buffoon made a rant about how it might mean the whole DAW would have to be redone and it would increase the upgrade cost and it wasn't necessary.  The reply was beyond stupid and quite ignorant.  The problem that exists in all forums it feature suggestions are interpreted as rants.  This place is no different. I made a post inquiring  about lifetime updates and it went way OT.  The opening thread could have been worded better as Craig pointed out.  
2016/08/31 12:05:08
bgalvin
Pragi
Seems that there is another grumbler sonarforumed away .


I have to post because of this mentality exposed...
What are you people trying to do? Is this your forum that outsiders are not allowed to enter?
Most of you try to browbeat any person that you can... and Craig is doing it as well.
That is really shameful.
 
Proudly signed Barry Galvin
 
 
 
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