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2014/03/30 00:06:37
robert_e_bone
OK - it is still progress.
 
The original latency value was WAY too high, and would certainly cause latency problems when tracking.
 
If your interface doesn't allow 128, then go ahead and try the setting of 96.  If that is too low, then try the next size up from 96.
 
The whole goal is to try to get your Total Roundtrip Latency down to around 10 milliseconds, or a little less, if possible.
 
As far as the wireless adapter, simply disable the Intel Wireless N7260, and then see how your latency issues behave - in conjunction with that setting of 96, as noted above for ASIO Buffer Size.
 
Give these two things a shot.  There is no issue with simply disabling the wireless and testing things out, as you can simply enable it again, when finished.  It won't hurt anything or put you at risk, to simply disable/enable it.
 
Bob Bone
 
 
 
2014/03/30 01:35:39
kevjazz
Bob,
 
Abslutely NO GO.  Disabling the wireless adaper did nothing.  the 96 buffer setting was too jittery.  the best I seem to be able to do is to get a round trip of about 14.5.  Could this Cool Soft synth be the culprit? 
 
Could anyone recommend a different one?  I suppose I could uninstall the trial version and install the version of SONAR LE that came with the Roland.   Is there any weirdness that I would have to watch out for if I did that?
My purpose in doing this is that I need to test X3 with my screen reader.  Remember I am a legally blind person.  We all used SONAR 8.5.  that had some special stuff that made it accessible for us.  Now, I wan to upgrade to current standards.  I have 8 days left in my demo.  I have a new screen reader that works pretty well. 
 
also remember that, while SONAR is failing, Sibelius does work well wh the Roland in ASIO mode.  So, maybe a different soft synth might be the ticket. 
Hope all this makes sense.
Best,
Kevin
 
2014/03/30 01:40:12
kevjazz
Forgot one other thing.  I didn't get any versions of Dimension Pro or anything else with the demo.  Maybe I didn't download everything I should have.  If there's something else I can download and install before the trial expires, I can see if the stuff that comes with SONaR will run on this rig.  It's a stock Dell with 8GB of RAM and a 500GB HD.  I don't need heavy duty portible gear.  I will have a serious computer built laer.  I just need to test what we call, "Accessibility." 
2014/03/30 01:55:58
scook
The contents of the trial are listed on this page http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/web-trial.aspx
Most of the synths including DimPro are not included in the trial version of SONAR.
2014/03/30 06:50:51
lingyai
I recently bought Sonar X3 and will be installing it soon. In anticipation of any latency problems I might have -- my only music PC is a laptop (albeit with a decent spec -- i7 cpu, 16 gb ram, SSD for the system). I have a Focusrite Saffire USB 6 ineterface.
 
If I want to play / record midi using a USB midi keyboard while minimizing latency, should I be using the Focusrite in the setup? If so, what is the easiest way to configure this?    (Sorry of this is such a naive question)
 
If on the other hand I merely want to playback existing midi, do I need to have the Focusrite hooked up? I'd like to avoid carting around that extra bit of kit if possible; for example, if I want to do some editing on a long haul flight.
2014/03/30 10:45:32
robert_e_bone
lingyai
I recently bought Sonar X3 and will be installing it soon. In anticipation of any latency problems I might have -- my only music PC is a laptop (albeit with a decent spec -- i7 cpu, 16 gb ram, SSD for the system). I have a Focusrite Saffire USB 6 ineterface.
 
If I want to play / record midi using a USB midi keyboard while minimizing latency, should I be using the Focusrite in the setup? If so, what is the easiest way to configure this?    (Sorry of this is such a naive question)
 
If on the other hand I merely want to playback existing midi, do I need to have the Focusrite hooked up? I'd like to avoid carting around that extra bit of kit if possible; for example, if I want to do some editing on a long haul flight.


Hi - I think it might be better if you post your question as a new thread, so we don't get this one complicated from 2 issues co-mingling.  You are under no obligation to do so, I certainly have no 'forum police' authority or mind set - it's just easier to keep issues separate, and I think it would benefit both you and the original poster of this thread to do so.  (when someone deliberately steers a thread into a new issue it is called thread hijacking, and folks can get a might testy when that happens) - so go ahead and fire up a new thread and I will do my best to explain things to you.
 
Thanks, 
 
Bob Bone
 
2014/03/30 14:46:01
kevjazz
Is it possible that my i5 processor with 8GB of RAM isn't fast enough? If that'd the case, why does it work with Sibelius 7.5, but not with SONAR X3.
2014/03/30 15:17:16
John
kevjazz
Is it possible that my i5 processor with 8GB of RAM isn't fast enough? If that'd the case, why does it work with Sibelius 7.5, but not with SONAR X3.

Believe it or not the CPU and memory is not all that important. Again keep in mind that Sonar has been around long before multi core CPUs have been out. 
 
Latency is a factor of the audio device.  Its determined by the buffers used in the kernel level streaming of audio. WDM and ASIO are the two drivers most used by Windows machines to get low latency audio. 
 
The smaller the buffers the lower the latency. This has not changed since audio and computers were brought together.   Now all this may seem unintuitive because when yo play a song on your laptop using Media Player latency is not an issue. Thats because you are not creating the sound in real time. 
 
     
2014/03/30 23:55:46
kevjazz
Good news! Tried using the one soft synth that came with the demo. 96 works with a tiny bit of popping. That's fine because this laptop is only for sketching on planes and writing parts in Sibelius, also on planes. Apparently, the issue is in the buffer settings for CoolSoft Virtual MIDI Synth itself. If anyone has direct experience with that specific GM product, or would be willing to recommend another, please feel free.

Thanks to Bob and everybody else for their generosity.

Kevin
2014/03/31 00:26:41
John
kevjazz
Good news! Tried using the one soft synth that came with the demo. 96 works with a tiny bit of popping. That's fine because this laptop is only for sketching on planes and writing parts in Sibelius, also on planes. Apparently, the issue is in the buffer settings for CoolSoft Virtual MIDI Synth itself. If anyone has direct experience with that specific GM product, or would be willing to recommend another, please feel free.

Thanks to Bob and everybody else for their generosity.

Kevin

Sonar comes with TTS-1 which is a virtual Sound Canvas clone. It is a GM synth.
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