yes I had installed those form post #16 and they worked fine when I was using sonar 8, but niw I have upgraded and the console doesn't work again, un-installed all the drivers and reinstalled them just now and still got nothing. I am looking under the pull downs to see where I can chose a control surface like in sonar 8 but cant find where it is....I am very new to this and have never used midi stuff before just a two input interface to record guitar. not sure what to do here..what am I missing?