bladetragic
I've seen this and all kinds of wacky behavior with Vocal Sync.  It's been documented here before.  I hope Vocal Sync gets some serious attention soon.  It definitely needs it.

I haven't seen anything "Wacky" about Vocal Synch. it works flawless here.
care to share these strange things your seeing ?
 

chuckebaby

bladetragic
I've seen this and all kinds of wacky behavior with Vocal Sync.  It's been documented here before.  I hope Vocal Sync gets some serious attention soon.  It definitely needs it.

I haven't seen anything "Wacky" about Vocal Synch. it works flawless here.
care to share these strange things your seeing ?
 

 
I've noticed the behavior the op is talking about, plus other random behavior.  Vocal Sync analyzing waves totally wrong and out of sync, random clicks and pops when trying to use vocal sync, etc.
 
And the worst of them all.  The blast of noise that can sometimes occur when using Vocal Sync which has been documented by multiple users.  Here's multiple threads about it.:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Big-Noise-When-Using-VocalSync-m3294020.aspx
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...?high=vocal+sync+noise

bladetragic

chuckebaby

bladetragic
I've seen this and all kinds of wacky behavior with Vocal Sync.  It's been documented here before.  I hope Vocal Sync gets some serious attention soon.  It definitely needs it.

I haven't seen anything "Wacky" about Vocal Synch. it works flawless here.
care to share these strange things your seeing ?
 

 
I've noticed the behavior the op is talking about, plus other random behavior.  Vocal Sync analyzing waves totally wrong and out of sync, random clicks and pops when trying to use vocal sync, etc.
 
And the worst of them all.  The blast of noise that can sometimes occur when using Vocal Sync which has been documented by multiple users.  Here's multiple threads about it.:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Big-Noise-When-Using-VocalSync-m3294020.aspx
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...?high=vocal+sync+noise

like I said, I haven't had one issue with it. I use it multiple times on every single project I have because its almost a short cut to using Melodyne, which I also use on almost every project.
but I will keep an eye out for this loud blast of noise thing you talked about.
I kind of feel bad you cant enjoy the benefits of this great Region FX tool that Vocal Synch is. the tool is the best.
 
have you tried using it on a track with no FX. Drag and select, right click on the selected area and choose Region FX / vocal synch ? this is the way I use it (only I do have FX in the tracks I use it in. not many but some)
 
my typical workflow consists of setting approx. levels, listening for out of synch, out of key vocal lines, fixing them first before adding more FX in the mixing stages.
 

DJ Darkside
Sorry for the added rant, but can't help it!
 

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
If you can submit a sample project that has this problem we'd like to take a look at it.

I have been waiting for 3 weeks to even get into Sonar. Application crashes at launch.... And something as simple as an issue with VocalSync gets more attention than my issue? Wow!

Unless your issue is reproducible, or encountered by more than a couple people, there's no way Cakewalk can give it attention. If your issue was inherent in SONAR, it would be a huge topic of discussion here. For all we know, you're using ASIO4ALL and 3rd party plug-ins that have issues. Remember, SONAR is very strict about following the VST spec - not to upset people, but to make sure that it works with plug-ins that are equally careful about following the spec.
 
I sympathize with people who can't get things working, but like Chuck, I don't have problems with VocalSync (at least ones that aren't human error). Issues like clicks and pops are an inherent part of the preview process until rendered because complex calculations are being done in real time. Also VocalSync needs to be used on relatively short sections, the guide track has to be specified correctly, and it's important to understand that turning the dial clockwise doesn't mean "more sync." The sweet spot could be anywhere along that dial's continuum.
 
As I've often said, if the problem isn't with SONAR, continuing to look for a problem within SONAR will just lead to frustration. When I found out that the majority of SONAR sessions use ASIO4ALL instead of drivers written for a true ASIO interface, I started to realize part of why there's a disparity between the "SONAR doesn't work" and "SONAR works fine for me" posts. Of course ASIO4ALL isn't the only culprit (and it can work), but there are Windows elements, dependencies, required library updates, and so on.
 
SONAR's performance is dependent on the host system. Also because it's not a cross-platform program, its hooks go deep into Windows. If the host system sneezes, SONAR will catch a cold.
 

It is very common to blame everything on some one else. When talking with 3rd party plugin's tech support, they will say, it is not us, it is the Host. When talking to Host tech support, they say, "it is not us, it is Windows". When talking to Microsoft, they say- it is not us, it is the hardware and drivers, and so on. Right now my Sonar is being stable, except minor annoyances. Vocal sync is an example of one of them. I built my computer myself from parts, installed Windows per protocol, all drivers as available on motherboard web site. What else can I do?
 
This is not first time Vocal Sync does this to the vocal clip. Note that the clip has to words with the break in between and is synched to the clip with the 3 words (no empty spot). My guess is- it can not relate 2 words with break to 3 words with no break. For example, lets say I want to use reference clip, "Golden sun arising" and synch "Golden.... arising" to it, it can not align Golden with Golden, skip "sun" and align "arising" to "arising". It makes 2 words clip become flat line with no sound. But weird part is that I had 3 similar clips, 2 of them aligned fine, and one would not alight. Same words, synched to the same track- turning in to a flat light.
 
Nobody tells me how to submit a project if I can copy the clips in to new project. Also it may not be the same in the new project as it would count algorithm differently.
 

chuckebaby

bladetragic

chuckebaby

bladetragic
I've seen this and all kinds of wacky behavior with Vocal Sync.  It's been documented here before.  I hope Vocal Sync gets some serious attention soon.  It definitely needs it.

I haven't seen anything "Wacky" about Vocal Synch. it works flawless here.
care to share these strange things your seeing ?
 

 
I've noticed the behavior the op is talking about, plus other random behavior.  Vocal Sync analyzing waves totally wrong and out of sync, random clicks and pops when trying to use vocal sync, etc.
 
And the worst of them all.  The blast of noise that can sometimes occur when using Vocal Sync which has been documented by multiple users.  Here's multiple threads about it.:
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Big-Noise-When-Using-VocalSync-m3294020.aspx
 
http://forum.cakewalk.com...?high=vocal+sync+noise

like I said, I haven't had one issue with it. I use it multiple times on every single project I have because its almost a short cut to using Melodyne, which I also use on almost every project.
but I will keep an eye out for this loud blast of noise thing you talked about.
I kind of feel bad you cant enjoy the benefits of this great Region FX tool that Vocal Synch is. the tool is the best.
 
have you tried using it on a track with no FX. Drag and select, right click on the selected area and choose Region FX / vocal synch ? this is the way I use it (only I do have FX in the tracks I use it in. not many but some)
 
my typical workflow consists of setting approx. levels, listening for out of synch, out of key vocal lines, fixing them first before adding more FX in the mixing stages.
 

Yes, the noise problem seems to have something to due with tracks that either have some type of fx on them or are sent to busses w/ fx of some sort.  The workaround that seems to work for the noise problem is routing the track I am trying to sync directly to the output of my soundcard (I'm guessing this works to bypass the bus fx).  However, this should not be seen as a fix and is very counterintuitive to workflow, especially considering I do a lot of work with Pop and R&B songwriters/artists with LOTS of vocal harmonies and stacks.  These sessions can sometimes be over a hundred tracks.  But clearly this is not just a problem I'm having as the threads show that several users have experienced it.
 
The other problems are a bit sporadic and hard to pin down.