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2016/08/11 18:28:05
greg54
bitman
Compression can cause apparent mid bunch-up.




When I play it back without compression, it still sounds this way.  And I use very low compression when I do use it.
 
Thanks!
Greg
2016/08/11 18:30:45
greg54
Zargg71
Sanderxpander
Are you sure you're not singing into the backside of the mic? 

I did this the first time I tried my Røde NT1a
Could be worth a trying..




Oh, I've done that before.   :)     But not this time.
 
Thanks!
Greg
 
2016/08/11 18:38:15
Frugaard
With completely dry signal, and no fx added anywhere in the chain, still excessive mids? Have you tried taking the mic into another  room to see if the same problem is there?
 
I too have used to much compression on my vocals making the mids crap up several places before...
2016/08/11 18:47:01
greg54
I have not tried recording in any other room.   I would like to solve this issue in my little room, if possible.
 
Thanks!
Greg
2016/08/11 18:58:52
Frugaard
greg54
I have not tried recording in any other room.   I would like to solve this issue in my little room, if possible.
 
Thanks!
Greg




Yes, I totally understand.. I just thought that trying to record in another room would help you find out if the room is the problem... If recording in another room doesn`t give excessive mids, you`d know that the problem most likely is the room, and you can fix the issue with some acoustic threatment maybe...
2016/08/11 19:15:22
bitflipper
New interface, new microphone and same problem...presumably using the same software and no fx...by process of elimination that pretty much leaves acoustics.
 
Try this as an experiment: drag out your heaviest winter overcoat from the closet and wrap your head and microphone within it. Record a test clip and compare the tone to what you normally get. If it's significantly less peaky in the mids, then you'll know it's a midrange resonance.
 
Your room is 10x12'. I'll assume an 8' ceiling. If your mic is in the middle of the room, you'll have nasty stacked resonances starting about 200 Hz and up, including right up through the "honky" frequencies.
2016/08/12 05:10:31
Kalle Rantaaho
If the room has been the same through all the years, how could it suddenly start enhancing mids??
Does everything look normal in a frequency analyzer ?
Are you singing and auditioning in an exactly same position as always (in my room facing a certain direction dulls the sound notably)?
Have you been exposed to exceptional noise lately, or suffered a heavy flu?
Could there be a temporary disturbance in your hearing?
2016/08/12 05:16:24
Frugaard
Maybe refurnishing... Or if you`ve changed the position of the mic placement, like Kalle is suggesting..?
2016/08/12 06:29:33
Bristol_Jonesey
What does a spectrum analysis of a recorded signal look like?
2016/08/12 07:27:29
chuckebaby
I hope you don't mind if I jump in on this conversation as my theory's might not prove much but just something else to add.
I've switched interfaces...and microphones before. there is a lot of mind games that happen.
its almost as if you have to retrain your ear all over again. especially if your previous interface was a cheap one.
 
this has happened to me a few times in my life, back in 1986 when I first started recording (no old jokes please=I was a young teenager) I had an old Tascam 4 track reel to reel and the highs were spectacular. so much I got used to cranking the snot out of them leaving all my mixes baseless. no low end at all.
 
it wasn't till 1991 I got a nice desk and a very helpful engineer (Ed McGee from Boston) helped me train my ear all over again. then it happen again in 2000 when I bought my first audio interface for a computer when the digital audio movement started. I bought a crap interface with crap converters. when I finally got a good converter (interface) I had to retrain all over again.
 FIRST-Re trace your whole signal path. from your speakers back to the input. if need be, plug in your old interface to compare. take special note to what you are using to monitor on, the speakers, headphones. are they plugged in to the same jacks as your old set up.
 
what you might be experiencing is the mic pres that adds some color to your signal.
a good color. you need to learn to dial that color in. this new Mid range that you are hearing can very well be what your old set up was missing, your just not used it.
 
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