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2016/08/12 08:01:57
stevesweat
You didn't blow your tweeters?
2016/08/12 08:32:38
Kalle Rantaaho
chuckebaby
what you might be experiencing is the mic pres that adds some color to your signal.
a good color. you need to learn to dial that color in. this new Mid range that you are hearing can very well be what your old mixes have been missing, your just not used it.
 I don't know I could be wrong but at this point, anything is worth listening to. re trace the path.
 



I understood the OP so that the enhanced mids occurred just suddenly, using the old setup in the same way as always, and continued with the new gear. ("I got a new interface. Same issue..."). Odd.
2016/08/12 08:35:12
chuckebaby
Kalle Rantaaho
chuckebaby
what you might be experiencing is the mic pres that adds some color to your signal.
a good color. you need to learn to dial that color in. this new Mid range that you are hearing can very well be what your old mixes have been missing, your just not used it.
 I don't know I could be wrong but at this point, anything is worth listening to. re trace the path.
 



I understood the OP so that the enhanced mids occurred just suddenly, using the old setup in the same way as always, and continued with the new gear. ("I got a new interface. Same issue..."). Odd.



Odd ?
 
im just trying to be helpful here,
 
and am I the only one except for SteveSweat who has even asked about the monitoring device  ?
is it headphones, is it speakers ? just a practical guess here... but isn't the device he is Monitoring through one of the most important factors ?
never mind.
2016/08/12 09:34:22
tlw
Dig out an old project, one where the vocals were "right". Take a look at the vocal track(s) eq plot in a meter (quadcurve eq, Span, whatever).

Compare that to a metering of a recent vocal track that is "wrong".

If they are essentially the same eq plot then the problem/change is most likely something to do with your monitors or your hearing has changed for some reason.
2016/08/12 10:24:08
greg54
Frugaard
greg54
I have not tried recording in any other room.   I would like to solve this issue in my little room, if possible.
 
Thanks!
Greg




Yes, I totally understand.. I just thought that trying to record in another room would help you find out if the room is the problem... If recording in another room doesn`t give excessive mids, you`d know that the problem most likely is the room, and you can fix the issue with some acoustic threatment maybe...




I understand.  It just would be very difficult to record in another room.
 
Thanks!
Greg
2016/08/12 10:37:24
greg54
To address everyone's comments (and I thank you all for helping me):
 
I used to record vocals with an Auralex Mudguard.   I stopped using it after I thought I was done recording vocals.  I took the mudguard off.   Then I began to notice some places where the vocals weren't quite what I wanted them to be, so I began redoing some vocals (this is about a year later I thought I was done with the vocals).   
 
And that's when I started thinking something was off with the sound - too much mids.  So I think the issue may very well be acoustics.   At the moment I don't have a condenser mic (I just ordered one and should have it by the beginning of next week).   Then I can test my theory.
 
Someone suggested that maybe a cold or flu might have triggered my hearing to not be right.  I have been dealing with allergies, so that also might be a contributing factor.
 
I have been using 2 sets of monitors, so  that's not an issue.   
 
As for a spectrum analysis of a recorded signal, I wish I were that smart enough to know how to do that.
 
Thanks, everyone!  I really appreciate all your comments.   I will record vocals again when I get my new mic, and then I'll report back.
 
Greg
 
 
 
2016/08/12 10:45:51
glennstanton
maybe the output you're monitoring on? the speakers versus headphones? it seems possible that the room (being even sized on 2' intervals is causing some irregular response to moving to a different position in the room might change it) and someone suggested measuring the room response as helpful.
2016/08/12 11:40:00
Bristol_Jonesey
greg54
 
As for a spectrum analysis of a recorded signal, I wish I were that smart enough to know how to do that.
 
Thanks, everyone!  I really appreciate all your comments.   I will record vocals again when I get my new mic, and then I'll report back.
 
Greg



 
Enable the Quad Curve EQ in the Pro Channel - use the flyout for a larger view. This will show you instantly if you have a buildup of frequencies anywhere within the audio spectrum.
2016/08/12 11:44:53
pinguinotuerto
I was about to suggest that perhaps you've had changes in your hearing, but was afraid you might be offended. I'm glad someone already mentioned it to you. It is possible, but the ultimate test would be to listen to old tracks that you know didn't have this issue before. If they do know, then a visit to an audiologist might be in order. Hope it's just allergies/fluid in the ear, or better yet, the missing Auralex Mudguard. Good luck!
2016/08/12 12:41:16
tlw
Hearing struck me as a possible issue because I had a heavy cold a few summers ago which left me with "motorboating/humming” tinnitus in my left ear.

Usually my brain just filters it out and it isn't a problem at all. Unless a mix/track has too much low-mid in it, when even at fairly low overall volumes my ear begins to hum. I've discovered this increased mid sensitivity is a very reliable indicator that I need to take a look at spectrum plots and re-think the eq around 200-600Hz, so while tinnitus is annoying in some ways at least it has an up side of sorts.

And everyone's hearing gets worse as they age, there's no way to avoid it.

Edited to add - the presence or absence of the Mudguard may well have something to do with the amount of mid being recorded, especially if the change became noticable when that was removed. Anything near a mic can make quite a difference to its frequency response (as the well known SM57/58 cardoid bass proximity boost demonstrates),
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