ORIGINAL: CJaysMusic

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but no MIDI devices appear in Sonar other than the Microsoft GS Wavetable.

And thats why you dont see any. Get rid of the wavetable synth and youll see your midi devices
Cj

My thoughts exactly CJ but I think he's already disabled it and still getting problems.

HowNow I don't mind admitting that if you've

1. Disabled the Microsoft GS Wavetable
2. Re-installed the drivers AND confirmed the devices are installed correctly via the device manager and made sure they are not "disabled in this profile" (unlikely but possible)

then you've got me beat, if the system sees them correctly but Sonar doesn't the only other advice I can give is to rename or delete your Aud.ini file. That's a real shot in the dark as well, but worth a try all the same. Sorry.

Thanks FBB, I see you have dealt with these issues before and I was hoping to perhaps hear something from you. I have unchecked the MS wavetable (re-checking it actually doesn't help either). I've been deleting the aud.ini, but it doesn't help. I actually see no MIDI devices in the device manager, but my M-Audio keyboard is recognized as a USB audio device. I can't seem to find any MIDI -related drivers within the Echo sound card or the USB keyboard, when going through the device manager, although it claims they are functioning properly.

My next thought are to reset both my bios and windows to factory settings/defaults, to find out whether it's my tweaking that has stopped the windows audio engine (I don't actually know what it is, but at least my media player is out of function and I hear no windows sounds). What do you think?

Resetting BIOSes and re-installing Windows is IMHO completely OTT and usually unnecessary. Sure it may fix the problem but there's usually another way with less aggravation than that.

The "USB Audio Device" is a bit of a misnomer. That is how the native windows MIDI device driver will show up, so if you can see "USB Audio device" within Sonar that is a MIDI device and should work. I have 2 MIDI hubs that both show as such. One is "USB Audio device" and the second an E-MU2x2 which shows as "USB audio device (2)".

Having said that - and I don't know - I'm guessing that M-Audio have their own bespoke MIDI drivers for their keyboards and if so and they are installed correctly they should show as something along the lines of "M-Audio MIDI.... "

On my system the E-MU 2x2 only shows as a native "USB Audio device (2)" because there is a problem with E-MU's drivers and Sonar keeps forgetting about the device between restarts so I uninstalled E-MU's drivers and forced Windows to use the native drivers. So even if there are M-Audio drivers available and you're using native Windows drivers it should still work.

Some keyboards may also have multiple MIDI in/outs and they'll all show as an individual port. I use an Edirol PCR800. That attaches via USB and shows as a total of 2 out - 3 in but they all have PCR in the driver so they are easily recognizable in Sonar.

Are you absolutely sure that the "USB Audio device" driver is referring to your M-Audio keyboard? What other MIDI devices do you have if any. i.e. MIDI hubs etc. etc.
If Windows can't 'see' the device then there's no way you'll see it in Sonar.

Being a bit unpatient, I did reset the BIOS and I re-tweaked Windows, using a list from the internet. This brought the MIDI drivers baack to Sonar and I was able to choose them in the MIDI input/output dialog box: there were thedrivers for Echo Layla and M-Audio oxygen now. I also got a MIDI signal to Sonar and was able to record hits to a MIDI track. There were no sound yet from the Session drummer (the plugin did react to keyboard hits), but I think that's another issue that I'll fix in the next place. I also got the Windows audio icon down right loose its cross sign, so it seems that it was the Windows audio option that was needed. This is what somebody suggested in an earlier post.

I wonder, when I am going to make music, if these issues go on. The reason for my tweaking were continuous dropouts, which I'll be facing next also. Thank god for this forum and thanks to you all for your help and patience...

To Max Output...
I Encountered the same problem. try un-installing the most resent audio plug-in or software that you have installed.
then re-start your computer. now see if your SONAR would now recognize your midi devices.
Because I believe that this was a program compatibility issue. hope that my suggestion worked.

Why can't i use DFX Audio ENHANCER with my SONAR 3? Do they have issues? whenever I Install DFX Audio Enhancer, no MIDI DEVICE appears on my  SONAR midi ports...except Microsoft GS Wavelab?  after un-Installing DFX,  MIDI Devices appeared on my SONAR 3 MIDI Ports.