2016/07/28 12:00:55
lowerfreq
Hello all...
 
Loving my newly purchased Sonar Professional!  Got a newb question here.   I use EZdrummer 2 for drums.  I currently have 16 individual outs from the kit going to a drum bus.  Problem is that when I mute the drum bus, I am still getting sound from the midi track that is set up when you add Ezdrummer.  Make sense?  I'm sure it's a simple fix, and that operator error is to blame, but I wanted to check with the experienced forumites. 
 
Thank You!
Freq
 
P.S.   Is it possible to smart swipe tracks in the console view to widen and narrow strips?  Going to the menu just adds an extra step, and though it is somewhat tolerable, it can kill the creative flow. With 16 drums tracks, they take up a lot of space. Thx again!
2016/07/28 12:16:03
fitzj
All  audio goes automatically to the Master bus unless otherwise routed.Ezdrummer create a midi  track plus the additional 16 track which are empty until you  click on Freeze track.  If the master bus is disabled you should not hear any sound  from your speakers unles you are routing directly to the main outputs. Post a picture on photobucket and link it here so we can see  how you are setup.
2016/07/28 12:31:59
Beepster
Yes, new tracks default to the Master bus so make sure all the SD tracks audio outputs are routed to your Drum bus.
 
Also if you have "Sends" on those tracks check the output on them as well. If they don't send to the Drum bus they'll be bleeding through somewhere else (which is kind of the only reason you'd have sends) so if you have Compression or Reverb or whatever bus being fed by those sends you'll still hear them unless you mute those target busses as well.
 
More detail needed to troubleshoot further.
 
Cheers.
 
Edit: And just because you mentioned you're a new user I feel I should point out that when I'm talking about routing the outputs of all those SD tracks to the correct location this does NOT include the actual MIDI track (where the MIDI clip/notes/data lives). That will be routed out to the softsynth's input channel(s) and of course the individual audio outputs from the softsynth itself go into the audio/instrument tracks you have set up in Sonar.
2016/07/28 17:27:22
lowerfreq
Thanks for your replys Fitzj and Beep....
So, what would be the correct routing and/or procedure tofollow in order to hear only the drums and be able to control them thru a bus?
 
Obviously very new to the "game" here...
 
 
2016/07/28 18:56:02
brundlefly
It sounds like maybe you originally inserted EZ Drummer as a Simple Instrument track (Combined MIDI and Audio), and then added audio tracks to host the separate outputs. If that's the case, you can right-click the EZDrummer track, and choose 'Split Instrument Track'; then delete the audio track that's probably receiving output from EZDrummer's internal Master bus, and outputting directly to SONAR's Master bus.
2016/07/28 22:22:19
lowerfreq
Hello all again...
 
I originally inserted EzDrummer as a soft synth into a track via the All Synth Audio Outputs: Stereo option 
Then each drum track (snare, kick etc.) was output(not a send) to this Drum Bus, which fed the Master, which fed the main out speakers...Still wish we could swipe the console view strips to change their size
 
Thanks for your help...
 
Freq
 
 
2016/07/29 17:43:34
fitzj
I don't have EZ2 but I have the original  EZ and I setup 16 mono tracks out with a drum bus and routed all to the drum bus.
Swipe all tracks
Then  click on  Tracks on the menu
Selected Tracks Output and  select your  drum  bus in audio output
That ensures all the drum are going to the drum bus.
Mute the drum bus and let us know what happens. You should hear nothing.
Let us know how you get on.
 
2016/07/29 19:06:35
brundlefly
lowerfreq
I originally inserted EzDrummer as a soft synth into a track...



If you insert a synth into an audio track that track will be receiving output from the synth via its FX bin. If you want to use a synth's separate outputs, you should insert it directly in the FX Rack. Inserting synths in FX bins is a legacy approach to synth audio routing that's still supported, but it's preferred to use the synth rack, especially if the synth has multiple audio outs.
2016/07/29 21:35:34
lowerfreq
Ok...
Took Brundlefly's advice...
brundlefly
It sounds like maybe you originally inserted EZ Drummer as a Simple Instrument track (Combined MIDI and Audio), and then added audio tracks to host the separate outputs. If that's the case, you can right-click the EZDrummer track, and choose 'Split Instrument Track'; then delete the audio track that's probably receiving output from EZDrummer's internal Master bus, and outputting directly to SONAR's Master bus.


and got the drum bus to mute---including the midi track.  But that option only left me with one audio track and one midi track(I didn't add audio tracks to host the separate outputs)... so I don't have 16 tracks to tweak each drum.
When I initially opened a softsynth (from my original post), Sonar added the 16 tracks for me automatically. I'm sure I am missing something with regards to understanding signal flow...
The workaround for now is that EZdrummer comes with its own mixer, so I can control things from there, but I still can't compress or eq etc. etc. individual drums.  
Appreciate all who are chiming in and offering suggestions.
Thank you!
 
2016/07/30 02:29:15
brundlefly
What I'm suggesting is to choose Insert > Soft Synth in the main menu or open the browser, and click the '+' button on the Synth tab and then choose to have SONAR create MIDI and 'All Synth Audio outputs as needed. The thing to avoid is inserting the synth in an existing audio track's FX bin.
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