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2016/03/24 06:33:02
FLZapped
TerraSin
It's about time for an update though. USB 2 has been standard for a long time now and we need to progress.



 
There is USB 3 now, yet manufacturers seem to be ignoring it even though it is far more common in PCs than Thunderbolt is....
2016/03/24 09:35:50
Jim Roseberry
USB 3.1 is available on the latest generation motherboards.
The USB-IF (USB 3.1) controller uses 4 PCIe Gen3 lanes and has a total bandwidth of 32Gb/Sec.
That's a lot of bandwidth for external peripherals.
Thunderbolt 2 offers 20Gb/Sec bandwidth.
Thunderbolt 3 offers 40Gb/Sec bandwidth.
 
Apple is pushing Thunderbolt 2 hard... because Thunderbolt 2 is absolutely critical for Mac users. 
Current generation Macbook/Pro, iMac, and Mac Pro Cylinders have no other means of accessing the PCIe bus.
 
I mentioned this in another thread... 
If you're feeling left out of the Thunderbolt loop/excitement, checkout the cost of some Thunderbolt peripherals.  
  • A 1TB Thunderbolt HD is ~$200.  
  • An empty Thunderbolt 1 bay (holds 2 or 3 drives - no drives included) is $300.
I've got 9 SSDs/HDs attached to my current machine.  That would cost double/triple to duplicate via Thunderbolt.
 
Most audio interfaces are nowhere near saturating the USB 2 bus.
IMO, This is why you're not seeing mass movement to USB 3 and USB 3.1.
Simply adding more (unused) bandwidth to the situation won't increase performance.
Liken the situation to your car.  Say its top speed is 120mph.
Doesn't matter if you're on a two lane highway or an eight lane freeway... your top speed is 120mph.
Adding more lanes (bandwidth) won't increase performance.
 
It'll be interesting to see how things shake out.
Out of the few USB3 audio interfaces that currently exist... none have equaled (let alone bested) the best USB2 units when it comes to round-trip latency.  The Apollo Twin Duo is doing pretty well... but not quite as low as RME/MOTU.
 
 
2016/03/25 17:38:46
jayson
Anyone find a TB1/2 to USB-C adaptor on the market anywhere? 
 
Cheers,
 
jayson
2016/03/26 09:37:57
FLZapped
Jim Roseberry
USB 3.1 is available on the latest generation motherboards.
The USB-IF (USB 3.1) controller uses 4 PCIe Gen3 lanes and has a total bandwidth of 32Gb/Sec.



I don't know where you got this reference, everything I've found says 10Gbps.
 
Thunderbolt has a mini displayport capability, which could be important to some.
Thunderbolt is also vulnerable to Option ROM and DMA attacks, although I don't know of any reported cases of this happening.
2016/03/26 10:45:05
Jim Roseberry
FLZapped
Jim Roseberry
USB 3.1 is available on the latest generation motherboards.
The USB-IF (USB 3.1) controller uses 4 PCIe Gen3 lanes and has a total bandwidth of 32Gb/Sec.

I don't know where you got this reference, everything I've found says 10Gbps.

 
The controller has a total bandwidth of up to 32Gbps (uses 4 PCIe lanes - can vary depending on the model).
10Gbps is per USB 3.1 port.
 
Quote pulled directly from manufacturer's website:
"The Intel® USB 3.1 controller utilizes 4 PCIe Gen3 lanes, offering up to 32 Gb/s total bandwidth, for uncompromised transfer speeds of up to 10 Gb/s per USB 3.1."
 
I'm currently using this motherboard.
 
2016/03/26 10:51:28
Jim Roseberry
jayson
Anyone find a TB1/2 to USB-C adaptor on the market anywhere? 
 

 
StarTech should have one available April 24th.
StarTech Model TBT3TBTADAP Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt Adapter
$81 (online)
2016/03/28 01:22:43
jayson
Thanks Jim.
 
Cheers,
 
jayson
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