Hello everyone, here is a quick question that I am sure many of you can answer easily. I have recently decided to stop using a free Haas effect because I have heard that it (the free Haas plug-in), is overkill and actually not good in a mix because it tends to make it muddy and overcrowded. In addition, I think that this free Haas plug-in is causing problems on my system-but that's another story. 
 
Do you agree with this? I would like to know some of your set-ups for a good rock/metal homemade Haas effect. I have looked around here and there but not seen a good "how to" for creating this effect from scratch with channel tools or perhaps another Sonar plug-in.
 
Specifically, I am trying to have a good-sounding Haas effect on the left and on the right for my guitar tracks. I have played around plenty with it but would really like to know exactly how some of you accomplish this in your songs. Perhaps you do not even use this effect? The one that I have made doesn't seem that powerful, at least in comparison to the old free Haas effect that I was using before.
 
I hope that a couple of you home recording gurus will share how you make your Haas effect. By this, I mean exactly where do you turn your knobs to, do you link them, do you do anything with the other buttons (on Channel Tools), like the side gain and so on?
 
Thanks for your time in reading this and I look forward to reading some of your insightful thoughts on this.
 
bob

For tracks where I will be adding the Haas effect, normally keyboard sounds like organs and such, I use a separate audio track for left and right sound from my synths, and I simply add about a 15 ms delay to one side or the other, and that is about as far as I take that.  If the effect is too pronounced, I might back it down to around 10 ms, or until it sounds best.
 
I suppose you could really go crazy on the whole thing, but in the end for ME it ends up being governed by how it fits in the mix with the rest of what is going on, as to how much or little I have that delay present.
 
Bob Bone
 

Same here, but yeah it tends to muddy things. I also use Waves S1 imager sometimes which isn't entirely the same but does something like it. It can also muddy things. I like to use it to spread out the more padding sounds in the mix sometimes. I wouldn't normally use it for anything that's very up front. Though as with everything, never say never ;)

watch wat you are doing with the haas effect, can really mess with the stereo image of your mix, one of the propellerhead RE's, mixfood orange has it, was finishing a mix off at the beginning of the year, before mix down, loaded in ozone, to check stereo image, correlation meter was right into the minus, had to mute tracks to find the culprit, then had to go back into the reason project and disable the haas effect on the synth, then bounce the file down again

tbh give the haas effect a severe body swerve, dunno maybe find use for it in a surround sound project one day

Most of the time you get a better effect by actually retracking the part and using that as doubling.

Haas effect post...

I can has effects. Lots of them.

I use the Sonitus delay. But, it's tricky to have a short delay because of what can happen when it becomes mono. 

I once tried a dedicated Haas Fx plugin and it crashed my system
 
Haven't bothered with it since