2017/11/26 03:47:55
nsureit
For anyone contemplating conversion to Pro Tools, here's a good article:
 
https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013040/Exporting-SONAR-Projects-as-OMF-Files-for-Use-in-Other-Applications
 
Exporting SONAR Projects as OMF Files for Use in Other Applications

Last updated on 3/28/2016

Return to Part 1- Importing OMF files

An Ounce of Preparation...

If you plan to export a SONAR project to another program that can read OMF files, it pays to consider three things before you start your SONAR project:

· Sample rate and audio bit depth of the target system

· Number of tracks the target system can handle

· SONAR and most other audio programs do not include Video in OMF file

While sample rates and bit depths can be converted after you export a project, it saves a lot of time to avoid conversions, if at all possible.

To Prepare a SONAR Project to Export as an OMF File

1. Make a copy of the project you want to export, and then only work on the copy to prepare for export.
2. If you have any MIDI tracks you want to export in the project, either record them as audio tracks, or put them into a Standard MIDI File that the other program can read.
3. Delete any tracks you don't want to export.
4. If you want to export volume or pan automation that is represented in SONAR as volume and pan envelopes, you will need to Edit-Bounce to Tracks or Edit-Bounce to Clips to mix the envelopes into new audio tracks or clips.
5. If you want to export the sound of any plug-in effects that you have patched, select the tracks that have the effects patched, and then use the Process-Apply Audio Effects command.
6. Create a text file to send along with the OMF file, detailing the tempo and any other important information about the project.

Exporting SONAR Projects as OMF Files

After you prepare a copy of your project to export, exporting is straightforward. Check with the engineer at the target studio to see if there are any special instructions for exporting, such as whether they want the file in Windows (RIFF Wave) or Mac (AIFC) format, which you can choose in SONAR's Export OMF dialog. If you've booked time at the studio, arrange to have your project played and inspected at the studio the day before your session, to be sure your project is as expected.


To Export a SONAR Project as an OMF File

1. Use the File | Export | OMF command.
2. The Export OMF dialog appears.
3. Enter a File Name (maximum 64 characters-SONAR limits name length for ISO CDR compatibility), and in the Save As Type field, choose OMF Version 1 or 2. Most applications expect Version 2, but check with your engineer.
4. Audio Packaging: usually you should choose Embed Audio Within OMF, which includes the audio data in the OMF file. But you should check with your engineer.
5. Split Stereo Tracks Into Dual Mono: see what your engineer wants. If exporting a 24-bit project to a Pro Tools system, enable "Split Stereo Tracks Into Dual Mono," as some Pro Tools systems do not support 24-bit interleaved stereo files.
6. Include Archived Tracks: you can choose to include archived tracks in your exported file.
7. Mix Each Groove Clip As A Separate Clip: if you have several Groove Clips in a track SONAR exports them as one clip unless you check this option. If you check this option, SONAR has to do a separate export operation for each Groove Clip in the track, which is very time-consuming. If you only have one Groove Clip in a track, and you have rolled out numerous repetitions of the clip, SONAR exports a single clip that is the length of the original clip and all the repetitions, which is not a time-consuming operation.
8. Audio Format: ask your engineer what format the studio uses, Windows (RIFF Wave) or Mac (AIFC).
9. Click the Save button.
10. SONAR exports the project as an OMF file.

You can also open OMF files to SONAR from Pro Tools and other programs that can export OMF (File-Open command). Read the tip on importing OMF files into SONAR.
2017/11/26 04:33:51
dwardzala
I spent about a year with Pro Tools several years ago when I got my first audio interface (it came with a version of PT).
 
I couldn't afford to keep up with the upgrades.
 
The included instruments and midi implementation were not as good as Sonar.
 
The user forum was a bunch of douchebags.
 
Otherwise it was a functional DAW and you can make great music with it.  However, the above three reasons brought me back to Sonar when there was a upgrade deal for X1.
2017/11/26 05:18:24
dubdisciple
ChazEd
LOL lots of ProTools haters out there.
 
But hey, guess what? ProTools is stronger than ever.
 
In my opinion, the choice is easy:
 
Audio? ProTools.
 
Midi? Cubase.
 
Have a Mac? Logic.
 
Any of those are better than a zombified terminal vaporware just waiting the last nail in the coffin.


Avid has been on the brink of financial disaster several times. Their video editing edge has slipped considerably. Hollywood used to be almost exclusively Avid and that is no longer the case. More importantly, the indie film industry and hobbyists barely touch it. The larger audio studios still does a lot of mixing in pro tools, but production within it has fallen off heavily. Dance music and pop music, which probably results in more sales than there are "professional high end studios" is dominated by the likes of Ableton and FL studio for composition. Granted, these are often mixed in PT, but it's shrinking
2017/11/26 15:33:00
dcmg
Avid is a publicly traded company with financial data reported quarterly.
Actual company financial health can be reviewed on their investor relations site.
Looking over their 2016 overview, their financials are all over the map, but from a Wall Street perspective they are in a declining trend. Still, they have more revenue streams than CW had. Video software is still carrying the load. This sentence tells a lot:
"Revenues from digital audio software and workstation solutions accounted for 13%, 14% and 16% of our total net revenues in 2016, 2015 and 2014, respectively"
 
This is part of my decision making for next DAW regarding Steinberg, Presonus and Avid. I'd like to avoid being on the Titanic again :)
2017/11/26 16:07:10
soens
I gave PT|F a try but it only works with "approved" hardware. It refuses to even open on my system because of this. "For that reason, I'm out!"
2017/11/26 17:06:42
fitzj
I have protocols for windows, what a load of crap. No comparison to Sonar. Studio1 Pro and Notation my second DAW. Reaper not bad but I don't like the small fonts, but for 60$how could you go wrong and its compatible with all the old  cakewalk format DX and DXi plus the full Sonitus range.
I have tested it with the newer LP plugins and also work.
Some Vsti not working True Piano.
None of the BT plugins work.
Waves plugins work ok.
2017/11/26 19:02:47
dubdisciple
Btw..for those considering pro tools. It is probably more so important than any other DAW that your setup matches reccomended specs as much as possible. If it says minimum i5 and you use i3 customer support is likely to blow you off.
2017/11/26 19:16:02
markyzno
I Have PT already but it is NOWEHERE near as fluid as Sonar (although I have been using Cakewalk for 20+ years).
Its all about short cuts and the interface is dated.
 
I'm thinking about Presonus as an alt to Sonar (This is heart breaking!)
2017/11/26 19:18:15
markyzno
nsureit
For anyone contemplating conversion to Pro Tools, here's a good article:
 
https://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowledge-Base/2007013040/Exporting-SONAR-Projects-as-OMF-Files-for-Use-in-Other-Applications
 
Exporting SONAR Projects as OMF Files for Use in Other Applications

Last updated on 3/28/2016

Return to Part 1- Importing OMF files

An Ounce of Preparation...

If you plan to export a SONAR project to another program that can read OMF files, it pays to consider three things before you start your SONAR project:

· Sample rate and audio bit depth of the target system

· Number of tracks the target system can handle

· SONAR and most other audio programs do not include Video in OMF file

While sample rates and bit depths can be converted after you export a project, it saves a lot of time to avoid conversions, if at all possible.

To Prepare a SONAR Project to Export as an OMF File

1. Make a copy of the project you want to export, and then only work on the copy to prepare for export.
2. If you have any MIDI tracks you want to export in the project, either record them as audio tracks, or put them into a Standard MIDI File that the other program can read.
3. Delete any tracks you don't want to export.
4. If you want to export volume or pan automation that is represented in SONAR as volume and pan envelopes, you will need to Edit-Bounce to Tracks or Edit-Bounce to Clips to mix the envelopes into new audio tracks or clips.
5. If you want to export the sound of any plug-in effects that you have patched, select the tracks that have the effects patched, and then use the Process-Apply Audio Effects command.
6. Create a text file to send along with the OMF file, detailing the tempo and any other important information about the project.

Exporting SONAR Projects as OMF Files

After you prepare a copy of your project to export, exporting is straightforward. Check with the engineer at the target studio to see if there are any special instructions for exporting, such as whether they want the file in Windows (RIFF Wave) or Mac (AIFC) format, which you can choose in SONAR's Export OMF dialog. If you've booked time at the studio, arrange to have your project played and inspected at the studio the day before your session, to be sure your project is as expected.


To Export a SONAR Project as an OMF File

1. Use the File | Export | OMF command.
2. The Export OMF dialog appears.
3. Enter a File Name (maximum 64 characters-SONAR limits name length for ISO CDR compatibility), and in the Save As Type field, choose OMF Version 1 or 2. Most applications expect Version 2, but check with your engineer.
4. Audio Packaging: usually you should choose Embed Audio Within OMF, which includes the audio data in the OMF file. But you should check with your engineer.
5. Split Stereo Tracks Into Dual Mono: see what your engineer wants. If exporting a 24-bit project to a Pro Tools system, enable "Split Stereo Tracks Into Dual Mono," as some Pro Tools systems do not support 24-bit interleaved stereo files.
6. Include Archived Tracks: you can choose to include archived tracks in your exported file.
7. Mix Each Groove Clip As A Separate Clip: if you have several Groove Clips in a track SONAR exports them as one clip unless you check this option. If you check this option, SONAR has to do a separate export operation for each Groove Clip in the track, which is very time-consuming. If you only have one Groove Clip in a track, and you have rolled out numerous repetitions of the clip, SONAR exports a single clip that is the length of the original clip and all the repetitions, which is not a time-consuming operation.
8. Audio Format: ask your engineer what format the studio uses, Windows (RIFF Wave) or Mac (AIFC).
9. Click the Save button.
10. SONAR exports the project as an OMF file.

You can also open OMF files to SONAR from Pro Tools and other programs that can export OMF (File-Open command). Read the tip on importing OMF files into SONAR.




I'm sorry but it is well documented here (by me and a few others) that Sonar OMF exports are bugged.
 
DO NOT RELY ON SONAR EXPORTING OMF's!!! (it's why I bought PT in the first place, it's mighty fine at handling OMF's)
2017/11/26 20:36:11
dubdisciple
Sonar reads OMFs well enough, but the export is soso.

FYI, I don't think S1 imports OMFs, which sucks. Fortunately i still have sonar
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