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  • Sonar Artist Latency Issue
2016/02/27 19:04:28
Telomir
Hi,
I am a new member to the Cakewalk community.  Although I have some experience using a very old version of Cakewalk, I am just now getting back into composing.  I have run into a problem.  
 
I have read various forums and help topics related to the latency issue when playing midi keyboard during recording.  Let me first list my system:
 
Core I7 2600
Intel DZ68BC motherboard
16gb DDR3
Solid state drives.
SoundBlaster ZX
GTX 670
M-Audio Midisport 1x1 USB connected to Yamaha PSR-270.... I know I know.. get a real synth.....
 
I just installed Sonar Artist, and the Rapture Session. Rapture session works great when sampling the different presets.  I have my keyboard connected and sound response is immediate when keys are pressed.. However when I go into sonar to try and record anything with the keyboard there is an annoying delay from the time the key is struck to the time you hear it from the computer.
 
In other informative posts including Cakewalk help.. In the ASIO control panel I have already lowered the buffer to 2ms.
 
This has not fixed my problem..  any tips?
 
2016/02/27 19:31:09
scook
Verify SONAR is configured to use ASIO driver mode in Preferences > Audio > Playback and Recording
2016/02/27 20:12:23
Telomir
Yes it is in ASIO mode.   Have already lowered it to 2ms like the Cakewalk help on this topic said to do.. Have tried WDM just to see if that made a difference..
 
As I stated in previous post, It works fine using my Yamaha Keyboard through midi in the Rapture Session program.  Just not in Sonar or Music creator, in these two I have a very small latency that is just enough to mess with timing and such when playing.
 
 
 
2016/02/27 20:22:18
scook
Are there any effect plug-ins in the project? If so, click the FX button in the Mix Module to bypass them.
2016/02/28 00:59:17
Telomir
I have tried that.  I have created a new basic project every time I try a new fix for my problem.
 
I am just confused why the Rapture Session Works perfectly and Sonar has the issue.  It has to be a setting in Sonar.  I have done everything I know and can with the sound card software.
2016/02/29 11:41:59
robert_e_bone
What are the ASIO-Reported latency values?  (Edit>Preferences>Audio>Driver Settings)
 
Bob Bone
 
2016/02/29 11:48:00
robert_e_bone
Actually another question - do you have any plugin effects loaded into the project?  If so, please list them, and also - try toggling off/on the bypassing of all effects, by hitting the letter 'E' on your computer keyboard, then playing.  If your issues vanish when you have effects bypassed, then you are likely using an effect that is really meant to be used during mixing (when you can have a giant ASIO Buffer Size), rather than to be used for recording.  (hit 'E' again after testing it out to turn your effects back on, by the way).
 
The usual culprits are those effects that use 'look-ahead' processing, where they have to read data ahead of what is playing to do their thing, or effects that just chew up massive amounts of CPU.  Some folks do bypass effects while tracking/recording and others swap out those effects for less consumptive ones, during recording, then put the effects that they really wanted all along back in once finished recording and they have moved on to mixing.
 
Bob Bone
 
 
2016/02/29 22:22:07
Telomir
Hi Bob,
 
I created a new basic project.  turned off the effects like you said and I still get the Tap - click latency.
(Tap is when the finger hits a key, click is when the sound comes.  So at the same time your finger hits the key say tap then say click right after for when the sound comes.. that's the delay I am talking about)
 
Anyway, my ASIO reported settings are as follows:
 
Input:  2.2 msec, 96 samples
Output:  2.2 msec, 96 samples
Total round trip:  4.4 msc, 192 samples
 
sample rate is 44100
 
effective latency is 44kHZ/stereo: 2.2msec 
 
 
2016/02/29 22:47:32
Telomir
Ok, update.  I was playing around (Learning).  I looked up how to use the Rapture session inside sonar.  created a new track following the instructions on how to insert a soft synth. 
 
Guess what.. no response latency...
 
I suspect that this delay has something to do with the MS GS wavetable synth.  I don't know. I am going to play around with some of the other synths to see if they all work correctly.
2016/03/02 01:12:59
Telomir
Just a follow up. 
 
Thank You Scook and Bob for the advice you gave me. It actually helped me find the information I needed to resolve my issue even though it had nothing to do with the ASIO settings lol. 
 
Thanks
 
T
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