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2016/07/09 03:16:26
John
What features are stripped?
2016/07/09 05:15:45
Thedoccal
OK it's installed and I like what I hear and see so far in Sonar.  I said no to most of the stuff Windows wanted me to say yes to during the install, and the Behringer driver needed to be "installed" in device manager (Windows gave me the Realtek driver which I "disabled" after enabling the Behringer).  Running the Behringer ASIO driver (whereas in Win 7 the WDM driver was more stable),  and I have a good overall feeling about this.  My processor is running at half what it was before.  Will put it through heavy recording tests tomorrow.  Want this to work and I do not want to go back to Win 7...and I can feel the love so far...
 
Preliminary Result:  Windows 10 (Pre)Approved
2016/07/09 06:18:19
subtlearts
I went to W10 last summer and haven't looked back for a moment. It's generally far more stable and smooth than any OS I've run on this old machine so far, which is quite a few iterations, pretty much everything since XP. I personally never had a problem with W8 - I couldn't for the life of me understand what the fuss was about over Metro and why people got so worked up about it. I just ignored it, for the most part, and it was really very easy to ignore so I never understood why everyone seemed to take it like a personal attack. Yes, I somewhat prefer the W10 start menu setup to the W8 start page, but it's kind of academic. 
 
Anyway I'm glad early indications are that it's working for you. It's really a pretty solid foundation and I'm hopeful that rumours that they will stick with it for a while with CW-style 'rolling updates' turn out to be true. I'm planning to upgrade to an SSD and see if I can squeak another couple of years out of this machine. It's been good to me so far!
2016/07/09 06:42:36
azslow3
Red4Con1
Another way to look at it Ford "A product that your grandchildren will be able to use" I say as consumers we would like to see that today yet, we don't, what we do see is a new product every quarter and the previous is now obsolete.

I no longer want to use: the car I was driving 15 years ago, 15 years old computer, Win3.1 - 7, old wash machine.
But I still like: old (acoustic) instruments, old family photos, old furniture (the one build from good wood).
 
What I want to say, not everything can benefit from "grandchildren will be able to use it " style.
 
I was stuck with Gnome2 under Linux for rather long time. But once I have managed to switch, it was a right move. The same with 7-10 interface changed. People was working and these people are smart.  The fact they have RECOGNIZED AND FIXED metro desktop experience during 8 - 8.1 - 10 route is a proof for that.
2016/07/09 06:56:46
John
Thedoccal
OK it's installed and I like what I hear and see so far in Sonar.  I said no to most of the stuff Windows wanted me to say yes to during the install, and the Behringer driver needed to be "installed" in device manager (Windows gave me the Realtek driver which I "disabled" after enabling the Behringer).  Running the Behringer ASIO driver (whereas in Win 7 the WDM driver was more stable),  and I have a good overall feeling about this.  My processor is running at half what it was before.  Will put it through heavy recording tests tomorrow.  Want this to work and I do not want to go back to Win 7...and I can feel the love so far...
 
Preliminary Result:  Windows 10 (Pre)Approved


I'm very happy to hear this. I expected it but one never knows. 
2016/07/09 07:13:35
subtlearts
azslow3
I was stuck with Gnome2 under Linux for rather long time. But once I have managed to switch, it was a right move. The same with 7-10 interface changed. People was working and these people are smart.  The fact they have RECOGNIZED AND FIXED metro desktop experience during 8 - 8.1 - 10 route is a proof for that.



Agreed. People are very quick to judge microsoft, when something doesn't work perfectly, forgetting the unbelievable odds they are up against, making a product that runs on nearly anything, not the tightly controlled walled garden of devices that Apple has to support. I am not saying they're perfect, far from it, they still do some annoying stuff - but it's pretty mindblowing how well W10 does run on just about anything, including old warhorse desktops like mine, with old unsupported hardware that still works just fine thankyouverymuch.
 
And yes, they have some Very Smart People and they have shown that they can listen to and respond to their customer base and improve things when they get off track... while simultaneously offering support and security updates for old products for ages (Vista is still in extended support, for pete's sake!). But they have been everybody's favorite whipping post for so long, the archetypal evil empire big corporation... meanwhile I have known a few employees who have been very positive, saying they're just a great company to work for. I think they get the short end of the stick far too often while Apple gets a pass on a lot of BS. 
2016/07/09 07:18:26
John
subtlearts
azslow3
I was stuck with Gnome2 under Linux for rather long time. But once I have managed to switch, it was a right move. The same with 7-10 interface changed. People was working and these people are smart.  The fact they have RECOGNIZED AND FIXED metro desktop experience during 8 - 8.1 - 10 route is a proof for that.



Agreed. People are very quick to judge microsoft, when something doesn't work perfectly, forgetting the unbelievable odds they are up against, making a product that runs on nearly anything, not the tightly controlled walled garden of devices that Apple has to support. I am not saying they're perfect, far from it, they still do some annoying stuff - but it's pretty mindblowing how well W10 does run on just about anything, including old warhorse desktops like mine, with old unsupported hardware that still works just fine thankyouverymuch.
 
And yes, they have some Very Smart People and they have shown that they can listen to and respond to their customer base and improve things when they get off track... while simultaneously offering support and security updates for old products for ages (Vista is still in extended support, for pete's sake!). But they have been everybody's favorite whipping post for so long, the archetypal evil empire big corporation... meanwhile I have known a few employees who have been very positive, saying they're just a great company to work for. I think they get the short end of the stick far too often while Apple gets a pass on a lot of BS. 


I completely agree. Nor could I say it better.
 
2016/07/09 08:55:27
chuckebaby
you know I think we all, myself included take a lot for granted in these times we live in.
I know I personally have become a bit spoiled with "Expecting" things to work 100% of the time.
We often forget how far we have come with technology in the past 15-20 years.
15 years ago I was using a calculator. now I use my phone to solve difficult numerical equations.
 
the same goes for Sonar. 15 years ago I would die to have something like Sonar to edit my songs on.
I have photos of myself with tape splices up to my ankles from editing all night.
 
once I cut the kick parts out of a song and spliced them over and over again to complete a song that I recorded with a drummer who had a sprained foot. it took me 5 hours. (splicing is an art form of its own people. believe me)
 
I can do that same editing in Sonar right now in 10 minutes.
 
I try not to take those pleasures for granted. when something does go wrong, I try to understand im working way beyond my means, im working way ahead of what I thought was once possible.
I do still get frustrated though. not going to lie. I DO expect things to run perfect.
 
With Microsoft, I've never had any complaints about there engines. always ran smooth as long as I followed system requirements. the UI features however, I don't care for. but only as of windows 8.
MS last 5 releases:
I loved XP. thought it was their best operating system yet. I liked vista. I loved 7.
didn't care for UI in 8, don't care for UI in 10. (but they still have great performance.
 
Thedoccal, glad to hear everything went smooth.
give us some updates on how everything is going after you have run it for a week or so.
im not far behind ya man ;-) I will be upgrading soon.
 
 
2016/07/09 10:03:27
bitman
When Cakewalk upgraded their C++ to a version that allowed them to support multitouch back in the X2 - X2a days, XP was killed off as the new VCRedist that had multitouch would not load on XP. - - -Microsoft's decision.
 
We saw a sniff of that reoccurring recently when a new MS C++ upgrade at Cakewalk (They have upgrade-itis too!) caused those on Win7 not up to SP1 to not be able to install the new SONAR. I was one of them.
 
Seeing the writing on the wall and industry rumblings about MS desire to kill off Win7 and 8.1 along with the new C++ 17 a- comin', I got nervous.
 
And went against everything and upgraded my DAW with an old Terratec EWS88D and UAD-1 card to Win 10.
 
The Terratec EWS88D and the UAD-1 survived* still using their driver revisions from Windows 7 (These are both end of life as far as the manufactures are concerned).
 
The EWS88D may have to go as SONAR is sketchy about it. Sometimes doesn't close the driver properly, will post an error about the EWS88D in event viewer when trying to reopen it upon SONAR restart. While Wavelab 6 for example  seems to have no trouble with it even in this new environment and can be used to close the asio driver to SONAR will run again even.
 
Melodyne 4 activation did not survive and my PC had to be reactivated which I did.
 
Turned off Automatic Corrutpdates  by setting the Windows Update Service to disabled.
 
- Onward and upward.
2016/07/09 10:04:49
fitzj
A windows 10  upgrade will remove working programs from your computer  and put files into a folder called  windows.old. It makes the excuse that they may  not work properly with Version 10. Some of the programs are  anti virus  systems and  Microsoft pushes its own  anti virus defender which will stop nothing. Just be very careful with this update no matter what you hear on this forum.
The big question why are Microsoft giving this away for free????
http://www.howtogeek.com/243581/windows-10-may-delete-your-programs-without-asking/
http://betanews.com/2015/11/24/windows-10-uninstalling-user-programs-without-permission/
Loads of other websites and I have encountered this  for many computers.
Just a warning be careful.
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