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2018/07/17 20:34:41
RexRed
I just sent the dumps thanks for the very helpful input!
 
2018/07/18 17:11:13
RexRed
I have come closer to figuring out this dilemma.
 
I took the project file to my laptop and it opens there but I have not tried to play it because I think the same thing will happen... the file will corrupt cakewalk in some way and it won't play it on my laptop then.
 
I noticed I have a lot of weird anomalies in this file.
 
1 Some of the tracks have both mono and stereo clips in the same takes. Because they were recorded from Matrix View.
 
2 Some of the tracks have different colored clips within the takes...
 
3 Some of my melodyne clips overlap the other clips on the same take when I remove melodyne like they have meta data (tempo) embedded in the wave/rex files that is not being interpreted right.
 
4 When I remove melodyne from some takes (I don't dare play the song) I bounce them to clips and they are replaced with silence.
 
Number four has me wondering if it might be a good idea to resample the wave files in my audio folder.  
 
I saved the project into another folder and it recopied the audio files to it and that did not fix the problem either.
 
I am wondering if Cakewalk is relying on my Klite mega codec pack to decode some these files or if it, like VLC player, has its own codecs within.
 
I am wondering if some of the wav files could have some sort of copy protection or proprietary codec.
 
The next step for me is to re-sample the clips in my audio folder and see if that works.
 
I am not sure if i had cakewalk use their original format when they were imported or to convert them to the project's settings.
 
I think most of them I dragged and dropped from the media browser bins but some I may have dragged and dropped from my desktop into Cakewalk (which I think does not work anymore).
 
If Cakewalk can reinterpret the manually re-sampled audio files that might be the best solution.
 
Removing melodyne from wav files that I have changed the tuning on parts of samples adds another level of complexity to this endeavor.
 
Re-tuning parts samples in Melodyne to fit a song's key was hard enough the first time.
 
I removed all effects from all the bins and still the song would not open.
 
I am sure the problems is the files that when bounced got replaced by silence and they were not muted either.
2018/07/18 17:27:34
RexRed
Cactus Music
You say the loops are all different audio formats?  I was to understand that when you import any audio into Cakewalk that it automatically converts it to the projects format. So it would therefore seem that if you go into the projects audio folder all the audio should be the same format. If this is not so, then possible fix is to use an audio wave editor program to convert those files. 
My favorite free editor these days is called Acoustica Basic 
https://acondigital.com/news/acoustica-7-released/
 
https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/acon-digital-media-acoustica
 


WOW I used the batch convert function in Acoustica trial version and it copied all of the re-sampled files into a new folder I made it took only moments and i did not change anything in the settings. I replaced the audio folder with the re-sampled files audio folder in the project folder and presto the project opened!!!! 
 
This is a huge tip, thank you Cactus Music!!!!
2018/07/18 19:49:48
Cactus Music
You welcome, I love batch conversion. 
Glad it worked. 
2018/07/18 21:09:43
RexRed
Cactus Music
You welcome, I love batch conversion. 
Glad it worked. 


At first when you posted the link I just assumed the app you linked to would not have batch conversion but then I decided to check anyway and bingo!.
 
The first time I converted the files I did not set any of the settings, I just left it default.
 
That is usually the way I do things when faced with overwhelming complexity.
 
Well the file opened once I replaced the files but it would not play.
 
So I went back to batch convert and set the settings to match my project 48khz 24 bit (my preferred recording resolution. And voila! The file opened and played and also the clips did not all have different colors while in the same tracks and takes!
 
Worked like a charm!
 
Again thanks for the help and I hope this thread can assist others who run into the same problems.
 
This makes me want to understand the metadata in rex and wav files a bit more.
 
Apparently the waves/clips also have color settings too or at lease settings that Cakewalk interprets as color.
 
If anyone knows of a good thick book on the subject of rex and wav metadata please post it here.
 
This has put me in awe of the complexity and usability of the wonderful application we so lovingly refer to as "Cakewalk".
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