Thanks Dan, its coming back to me now LOL -- on the old version when you did a cut there was a box to check if you wanted to "delete the hole"
and yes removing measures very tricky -- I have some slightly botched midi files that I deleted sections like that and the marker was on the 1st beat of each measure which is not exactly right because then you are deleting one tick too many or something like that
anyway the good news for me is I found a more recent save of that particular song that already has the offending measure removed so -- happy ending to that little problem -- thanks again