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2016/11/24 00:30:38
Malakidreams
Sorry for all the posts. just trying to figure this out. Now the sound of the piano disappeared, I can still here the drums when I press the midi controller. I armed the tts-1 to record the piano and was able to record the piano track without recording the drum track. I just can't here what I'm playing on the piano until I play it back. is there a way to make it so I can here the piano when i want to record that and hear the drums when I want to record them?
2016/11/24 09:46:59
57Gregy
On the MIDI track you recorded the drums, set the input to None when you record on another track. Also, ensure that the Input Echo button is off for any previously-recorded MIDI tracks. See if that helps.
2016/11/25 13:05:45
Malakidreams
ok, that eliminated the drum sounds. thanks. Now I have a problem. I can't hear my tts-1 at all. I didn't change anything on that
 
2016/11/25 13:15:16
Malakidreams
My TTS_1 is somehow automatically going to channel 10 which says standard set. not sure how to fix this
 
 
2016/11/25 13:56:12
Malakidreams
I had my midi controller set on a different channel. tts-1 was set on omni.So I put keyboard on ch 1 and it worked. the  keyboard was on channel 10.
I switched the ez drummer inputs to none and it worked. Thanks Greg. Now if I wanted to record three separate tts1 string midi tracks and control each of their volumes separately, how would I do that?
 
2016/11/25 15:52:55
abacab
Malakidreams
Hi, I recorded 3 separate tracks for strings. one was like the bass stuff, 1 the middle and one the harmony. I thought I would be able to adjust the volume of each midi track  if i did it this way. when I play back and I go to turn up 1 of the recorded tracks all 3 go up in volume. How do I change this? Thanks in advance



The simple answer is to adjust the MIDI volume slider for each MIDI track you wish to adjust.
 
But the good news is that TTS-1 is multi-output, in addition to multi-timbral.  It has four audio outputs that you can group your instruments together into.  This allows separating your bass or drums from the other instruments for output to your audio master.  That way you can apply individual audio FX to each of the four audio outputs.
 
This works in Sonar, so I would assume it applies to Music Creator. http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation?product=Music%20Creator%207&language=3&help=SoftSynths.04.html
 
When you insert TTS-1 with the Insert > Soft Synths command, select "all synth audio outputs".  You will get one MIDI track and 4 stereo audio tracks.  (The Insert Soft Synth Options dialog box appears, unless you’ve previously unchecked the Ask This Every Time check box that’s in the dialog box. If you have, Music Creator inserts the soft synth according to the preferences you set the last time you used the Insert Soft Synth Options dialog box. If you need to open the Insert Soft Synth Options dialog box when it’s hidden, click the Insert Soft Synth Options button in the Synth Rack.)
 
Each of the four new audio tracks should have been assigned to Input=Cakewalk TTS-1 Output 1, 2, 3, or 4, respectively.
 
Then look into the TTS-1 System Settings window. Click on System > Option > Output Assign.  There you will see that you can select any of the available outputs for any of the 16 MIDI tracks in TTS-1.
 
Then on your MIDI track in track view. select your inputs and outputs, for example: Input=All Inputs-Omni, Output=1-Cakewalk TTS-1 1, and for MIDI Channel = [choose from 1-16, depending on which instrument you want to trigger].
 
If you want to record each MIDI instrument onto it's own MIDI track, you can clone the first MIDI track as many times as you need and adjust the inputs and outputs accordingly based on the example so that your MIDI data is recorded on each of their respective tracks. 
2016/11/25 16:53:36
Malakidreams
Thanks so much  John. I am going to play around with this ASAP. This forum is awesome.
2016/11/25 19:08:37
Cactus Music
Channel 10 has always been the default drum channel. I would leave that as is. 
 
I think you solved your other questions but just to make sure it's clear.
 
With the TTS-1 you can have 16 channels of instruments, This is called "Multi-timbral"   The answer by Jimfogel was incorrect. Most of Cakewalks VST instruments are not multi timbral  and require a new instance per instrument, but TTS_1 was made to play back GM standard files and GM Midi supports 16 channels.  
 
It's a very powerful little synth. It's downside is the sound quality is pretty basic and better sounding synths can be found as you progress. Many are even free to download and real easy to install. 
The web site KVR has many freebies.  But even though I have a lot of VST's hoarded away I use TTS-1 on almost every song. The Kick drum is actually my go to kick as I find it sits perfectly in a mix. I use the organs and a lot of percussion sounds are not found on the fancy pants drum synths like Session drummer. 
 
I don't use instrument tracks. 
 
I insert a new MIDI track and record the part there. 
The synth audio tracks are separate and have nothing in their tracks. 
All my midi tracks will have my A49 as the input, no need to change this, it's the input echo that will cause the re triggering of other channels.  
You can set it to none but this should not be necessary.
Only echo the track you are recording, turn the others off. 
Then set the output of the track to the synth you desire
Then set the MIDI channel to the channel desired to use on the TTS_1
Other non multitimberal  synths can  just use Channel 1 but will also play any channel coming at them.
 
I have set up my "band" in TTS-1 and you can save it as a default patch. Just click on the uper box that say's "no preset" and type a new name and save it.
I always use the same channels for certain instruments, this goes way back to using a rack of hardware synths.
CH1- Piano
CH2- El Piano
CH3 and 4 organs
CH5 Bass
CH 6 strings
CH 7 woodwinds
CH 10 drums
 
CH 11 percussion
CH 13- 15 controlled my effects  
other channels used at random for synths 
 
 
 
2016/11/25 19:55:31
abacab
Malakidreams
Thanks so much  John. I am going to play around with this ASAP. This forum is awesome.




Good luck and have fun!
 
1 instance of TTS-1 is all you need to accomplish a recording with up to 16 MIDI tracks.  Just set up a MIDI track in Cakewalk for each instrument in your "band", and route it to the MIDI channel corresponding to that instrument in TTS-1.
 
The MIDI volume sliders will allow you to adjust the volume track by track.  By default all of the audio output from TTS-1 synth will return to the master stereo audio output.
 
The other stuff about the 4 audio outputs just gives you more routing and mixing options when you are ready to use them.  If you do this, you can EQ and add FX for each audio output individually before routing it on to the master stereo output.
 
Craig Anderton recently mentioned that he still uses TTS-1 because he prefers the way some of the instruments sit in his final mixes over some of the newer high end sample based instruments.
2016/11/25 22:35:59
jimfogle
57Gregy
If each MIDI track is using a different channel, you should be able to adjust each track's volume in either the Track Pane or by using the TTS-1's volume sliders without affecting the other channels.




Gregy,
 
I believe you're correct as long as the three tracks have three channels with a different midi instrument patch on each channel.  But, if you are using three instances of the same midi instrument patch, I believe changing the volume of one track changes the volume of all three tracks. 
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