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  • Optimum Touch Screen Placement (p.2)
2016/06/17 18:28:55
jimkleban
I originally had 2 touch screens and abandoned ONE just for the reason Craig mentioned.  The touch screen I do use though might be considered a bit large (27 inch) but it makes targeting the touch easier for me.  The smaller screen was sometimes tough to HIT the PARM I wanted to adjust. 
 
I never thought about moving the touch screen off my work space though and this does sound like a good idea. Perhaps another under desktop roll out contraption like I use for my KB and MOUSE only bigger?
 
Thanks for the idea,
 
Jim
2016/06/18 10:29:16
yummay
I'm always hesitating between buying a tablet and a touch monitor. The best would be, I guess, to have a windows 10 tablet connected to the main daw using some kind of remote desktop that still allows local access tothe main daw's session. (I still have to check out Lemur, though...)
 
And.... i am daydreaming about augmented-reality-based control solutions... ;-). Would be hell i guess when trying to fine-tune  a parameter 
 
2016/06/19 08:51:41
jimkleban
Yummay,
 
I have used MS remote desktop with both a surface and a laptop to control my DAW from another room.  The surface has a nice touch screen (as do a ton of laptops now).  Problem with this, your DAW is either controlled locally or remotely, not both at the same time.  Hence why the touch monitor solves this problem for me.
 
I went TOUCH right after SONAR provided specific support for TOUCH.  I saw the SLATE MIXING desk (thousands of dollars) and was intrigued.  So, I put the CONSOLE view on touch and get the same functionality at a fraction of the cost (my ASUS 27 inch TOUCH monitor was under $500).  Works great for me and I like the idea of laying it almost flat and as Craig suggested, off to the side and not on my main work service.
 
Jim
2016/06/19 09:39:57
fret_man
Craig, please show a picture of your setup.
2016/06/19 10:34:54
gswitz
My touch screen is on an adjustable stand. It's my only screen.
 
I can fold it down or not. I can use it alone or share it with a friend on the other side of the table.
 
Sometimes, a friend and I will each have our own instance of TH3. I have a FCB1010 to go with it.
 
I tend to use touch when recording (because touch is silent ... no clicking or key presses. My keyboard, mouse and Alpha Track are not silent.
 
I use touch hen practicing. I often sit back though and use the keyboard and mouse and don't touch the monitor at all.
 
Really, since I cannot use touch to work with envelopes, touch has limited uses in Sonar. I don't record automation often.
 
I do use touch when working with RME's TotalMix.
 
Thanks for asking.
2016/06/19 12:38:39
AT
chuckebaby
isn't it quite exhausting though, holding your arm up to the screen every few seconds to change parameters ?
I have a control surface but it lays flat. im only guessing here so my opinion is half baked but ive always been drawn away from touch for that very reason, having your arm suspended in mid air verse laying down/resting on a desk is a big difference.


For me, the touchscreen replaces where (and how) a mixer would be placed - at a comfortable angle.  I left room on the desk to rest my elbow, if need be.  This also has to do with the wobble question above - well-built touchscreens spend a lot of money on the stand.  My all-in-one will go from vertical to horizontal and is stable. 
 
but I use the mouse a lot, and the keyboard.  The touchscreen isn't the answer to the question of control, but simply another method of control.  My main unit, a desktop unit, is Win 7 so you can't easily move around the timeline and pinch and expand (works fine on Win 10), but I use it for other pointing tasks etc.  And for fine control I still use the mouse, and the physical keyboard for lettering and # entry.  Depending upon your screen size (I found 27 inches the minimum for serious touch work), techniques and ergonomics you will find uses for it.  And it is really nice for many synths and FX control and is more immediate than putzing around with a mouse.
2016/06/27 10:01:10
Destro
This is how I imagined using Sonar with a touch surface.  I'm in the market for a touch screen and thinking of doing some kind of large LED with a PQ labs overlay..still doing research.  But, whatever I choose, I think using the same angle as my mashine studio(legs down) should work very well.  
2016/06/27 10:16:18
chuckebaby
AT
chuckebaby
isn't it quite exhausting though, holding your arm up to the screen every few seconds to change parameters ?
I have a control surface but it lays flat. im only guessing here so my opinion is half baked but ive always been drawn away from touch for that very reason, having your arm suspended in mid air verse laying down/resting on a desk is a big difference.


For me, the touchscreen replaces where (and how) a mixer would be placed - at a comfortable angle.  I left room on the desk to rest my elbow, if need be.  This also has to do with the wobble question above - well-built touchscreens spend a lot of money on the stand.  My all-in-one will go from vertical to horizontal and is stable. 
 
but I use the mouse a lot, and the keyboard.  The touchscreen isn't the answer to the question of control, but simply another method of control.  My main unit, a desktop unit, is Win 7 so you can't easily move around the timeline and pinch and expand (works fine on Win 10), but I use it for other pointing tasks etc.  And for fine control I still use the mouse, and the physical keyboard for lettering and # entry.  Depending upon your screen size (I found 27 inches the minimum for serious touch work), techniques and ergonomics you will find uses for it.  And it is really nice for many synths and FX control and is more immediate than putzing around with a mouse.


this was just the kind of response I was looking for. thank you.
using it this way makes a lot of sense. I use a Mackie control and I find having the hands on thing is so much better.
but like you..I also use a mouse and even with a control surface, I find a mouse is almost 100% necessary.
I mean im sure I could find a way to avoid a mouse, just like you could on a touch screen, but like me, im guessing you find those small increments need attention to detail which can only be accomplished using a mouse.
 
Thanks again AT
2016/06/27 11:39:20
Sacalait
I'm using my touch monitor much like Craig is using his.  However, I still haven't found much use for it.  I have an Acer 23" and there's just not enough real-estate.  Stuff like muting and solo are good.  Actually, doing work in Melodyne isn't so bad.  It's still a real-estate issue.
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