That's cool Andrew, also worth noting, I had to remove x3, and in the end backed up my stuff and reinstalled windows to stop platinum hanging at the loading screen (which I don't mind to do I was due a clen up) so I guess some of the steam based x3 files cause a problem there, maybe you can look into that too. To be honest I am glad to be away from steam. I am in no huge rush as long as it can get sorted I'll be an happy camper.