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  • Sonar is not industry standard? (p.10)
2016/06/05 17:03:52
backwoods
abacab
sharke
Bear in mind that Reddit has a notoriously young user base. What I get from this is that Sonar is not doing so well in terms of visibility among the young crowd and Cakewalk really need to fix this problem as part of their long term strategy, and I'm sure they are talking about it.



Interesting observation.  My take-away is that Cakewalk really has not taken on that much risk in offering all us old guys a "lifetime" membership.  We all have expiration dates that will come sooner than the Reddit crowd's, LOL!




Very interesting discussion to me. I think sharke is right about the visibility thing. in a red sea environment how do you get cut through? i don't know but i bet the cakewalk and gibson guys have some good ideas. selling thru steam is a good idea. maybe some edm artist endorsements. some kind of hardware like ableton launchpad/push. the cakewalk youtube channel is pretty darn good now and would interest young people i think. at the end of the day it comes down to the DAW though and this is where Sonar has an advantage-- it is really powering ahead of the others IMO. 
2016/06/05 17:17:06
abacab
Mostly just out of curiosity, I went to Reddit and did a search for "cakewalk".
 
I came up with this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cakewalk/
 
A 3 year old Reddit community with 286 subscribers and 2 moderators ...
2016/06/05 18:30:10
mettelus
Sharke's observation is on the money. Younger users (Millenials) want "free" and typically have no loyalty to what does not work for them at that moments in time. Coursera's courses (one of many online courses) are free with 1000s of students from all over the globe attending each run (a couple classes claimed far beyond that). Invariably there is a DAW thread, and from the ones I have seen there is little SONAR visibility in them.
 
Another caveat that plays into this is that threads there are rated by the number of "likes" to posts contained therein, so a generic users will see DAW-X, #posts, #likes in the thread header before clicking on it. When all is said and done over a six week period, SONAR is horribly under-represented there (by 10:1 if not more). After those courses complete, most students will start learning a DAW in earnest (especially "Intro to Music Production" where they learned how to use a "generic DAW"), so a good chunk are purchasing during each run. It is a massive marketing opportunity that has gone untouched IMO.
2016/06/05 18:56:15
SuperG
abacab
Mostly just out of curiosity, I went to Reddit and did a search for "cakewalk".
 
I came up with this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cakewalk/
 
A 3 year old Reddit community with 286 subscribers and 2 moderators ...




I didn't know that many toddlers used Sonar.
2016/06/05 19:35:11
abacab
SuperG
abacab
Mostly just out of curiosity, I went to Reddit and did a search for "cakewalk".
 
I came up with this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Cakewalk/
 
A 3 year old Reddit community with 286 subscribers and 2 moderators ...




I didn't know that many toddlers used Sonar.




LOL!  Based on the quality of the average post that I've seen anywhere on Reddit, they are all "toddlers"!
 
I took an online class that used Reddit for their discussion board, so it was fairly well moderated. But the majority ... ugh!
2016/06/14 18:22:40
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Just wanted to report that I contacted the developer and the issue with Waldorf Nave crashing on insertion has been addressed by them. The problem was on the plugin side. 
They sent us a beta and we were able to validate the fix. Hopefully the fix should be available shortly from them.
 
2016/06/14 22:59:33
musiccontinuum
chilldanny
Sure, Cakewalk could devote more resources to market their software more effectively, but I personally would much prefer those resources be focused on continually improving Sonar.



Agreed!
2016/06/15 08:38:06
Sanderxpander
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
Just wanted to report that I contacted the developer and the issue with Waldorf Nave crashing on insertion has been addressed by them. The problem was on the plugin side. 
They sent us a beta and we were able to validate the fix. Hopefully the fix should be available shortly from them.
 

Most kick ass post of this thread, no contest. Way to go, Noel!
2016/06/15 09:56:58
jmasno5
Anderton
The "industry" considers the Mac as the dominant music platform. Samplitude and Sequoia are excellent programs that are more capable than several Mac equivalents, but they're ignored as well. At the lower end of the scale, I'd take Mixcraft over GarageBand, but it's ignored too because it's Windows only. In video, Final Cut is considered an "industry standard" while Sony Vegas, which is Windows and I believe a better program, does not have the same cachet.
 
Until Windows is considered the "industry standard" platform, Windows-only programs will likely not be considered "industry standard," no matter how good they are. Meanwhile, the people running SONAR on Parallels or under Boot Camp have their own answer  


Well put!
2016/06/15 12:02:42
WallyG
gprokap
The "industry standard" is Pro Tools.
 
Pro Tools is garbage.
 
Don't take it as in insult.




When I got back into music big time after retiring, I spent a lot of time researching the various DAWS. I was coming from Bars & Pipes on an Amiga back in the 80s! :-). Money was not a factor since the cost of a DAW is insignificant compared to the what I spent on my "PlayPen". 
 
I can't remember exactly why I selected Sonar, but after it using almost daily for the past few years, I have not regretted my decision!
 
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