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2016/05/12 06:26:39
Glyn Barnes
I was annoyed yesterday when I saw the OP, coming back to this I think Waldorf's email suffered for being written by someone who's first language is not English, because of this it came across off hand and dismissive which was probably not the intention. It would have been sufice to say it had not been tested in Sonar rather than saying Sonar is not "Industry Standard"
 
They do go on to say
 When you like, you can record am movie and show us step by step this
behaviour, so maybe we can look and fix it. Thank you !"

Which at least shows some willingness to fix the issue.
 
I had been toying with the idea of buying one of their synths in the recent NI sale, I didn't and I am not regretting that decision.
2016/05/12 09:24:11
Mistergreen
vladasyn
But I am thinking- is the ProTools that much better than Sonar? The ProTools is industry standard- PC or Mac, right, or just on Mac? I have been looking in to it and considering to install it and see if it really that much better.




I'm still amazed that the "industry standard" still doesn't have a polarity switch on each track. It can only be achieved by adding a plugin. Even Sonar has this.
2016/05/12 09:37:38
Anderton
Morvejones
So it is just Reaper and Studio One cutting into sonar's share or is there something else going on? I've used sonar sinse 2xl and i have definitely noticed a drop in sonar related content in magazines,websites,etc.

 
The rolling updates model doesn't fit into the way magazines do reviews, and the page count for pretty much all magazines has dropped. Sound on Sound still runs my SONAR column every month and has no intention of stopping. Also, more media are going "pay for play" (not SOS or Harmony Central, by the way) meaning they favor coverage of products from manufacturers who advertise with them. This isn't quite as evil as it sounds; there's no way magazines can cover everything out there, so all things being equal, they'll cover products from the companies that support them.
 
not being officially supported by some companies (instead of the "other daw" tag)

 
It's important to remember in this discussion that "not supported" is not the same thing as "not tested with." Most companies test with a wide variety of DAWs, but if you call support, they target specific DAWs. To refrain what I said earlier, this is due to resources. Companies can't hire enough support people to be knowledgeable about all programs.
 
Universal Audio explains this very well (and note they mention SONAR):
 
UAD Powered Plug-Ins are compatible with VST, RTAS, AAX 64, and Audio Units host DAW applications, and are widely used with a variety of major DAW software — including Pro Tools, Logic Pro, Cubase, Nuendo, Live, Sonar, and more.
 
However, due to plug-in host differences between DAWs — and our own rigorous testing standards — Universal Audio only officially tests the latest UAD software with:
 
  • Avid Pro Tools 10, Pro Tools 11, and Pro Tools 12
  • Apple Logic Pro X
  • Steinberg Cubase 8 and Cubase 8.5
  • Steinberg Nuendo 7
  • Ableton Live 9
Note: The most recent maintenance release of the DAW application is recommended
 
Q: Does this mean that my DAW is not supported?
A: Generally any VST, RTAS, AAX 64, or Audio Units-compliant host application will work with UAD plug-ins, and any ASIO or Core Audio-compliant application will work with Apollo audio interfaces. That said, if you are experiencing issues with your UAD or Apollo on a DAW that we don't list as compatible, you can still contact UA Tech Support and log the issue with us. We have great relationships with all the major DAW manufacturers, and will work with them to understand why an issue is occurring — whether we list the DAW as officially compatible or not.
2016/05/12 09:50:18
KingsMix
Slugbaby
"Industry Standard" isn't necessarily a bragging right.
Nickelback, Bieber, Government waste, compressing all the life out of commercial music... these are also Industry Standards.
 
It's a company's loss if they aren't interested in adding to their customer base by addressing the minor adjustments that might be needed.


+1
2016/05/12 10:18:31
thedukewestern
In my opinion - this type of thinking limits the customer base of waldorfs clientele, hence, it is now their loss.  
2016/05/12 10:19:02
thedukewestern
KingsMix
Slugbaby
"Industry Standard" isn't necessarily a bragging right.
Nickelback, Bieber, Government waste, compressing all the life out of commercial music... these are also Industry Standards.
 
It's a company's loss if they aren't interested in adding to their customer base by addressing the minor adjustments that might be needed.


+1


HAHAHAHA!!!!   Fight the power!
2016/05/12 11:30:45
Brian Walton
Snehankur
For Sonar : [of course only in my opinion]
Developers are fantastic, but marketing - I doubt.
 
Recently one of my friends circle (those who work in the industry) asked which DAW I use:
I said : CAKEWALK SONAR.
They asked : is it like a DAW ?
 
I brought them home and ...
 
Question is why do we have to bring them home and demonstrate?
 
Regards
Snehankur
 
 


If you friend works in the industry and doesn't know what Sonar Cakewalk is, they are either really young (early 20s) or they are not very knowledgeable about the market as it relates to creating music using a computer to record.
 
Cakewalk as a music production tool is 25+ years old and has been on the shelves of Guitar Center for decades.  Not to mention the other major retails.  
 
Of course if you are outside the US in a 3rd tier music market the experience might be different.  But here in the US which has by far the largest music market in the world, just about anyone in the music creation business should have at least heard of Cakewalk/Sonar.  
 
2016/05/12 11:51:02
berlymahn
Been a Cakewalk user for almost 10 years.  Yow.
Only other DAW I've really seen used is Protools (all folks in my band use it, and the studio we visit on occasion does uses PT, as well).  I've found PT to be quite clunky to use, not to mention upgrades to the software version updates wreaking havoc ("We went to PT11 and can't open your PT10 project."  Eff that).  Former band mate who was using Cubase (and older version) was quite surprised when I opened up Sonar Producer 8.5 - >>> "so much has changed!".
Took me a while to get up to speed when I first started, but with the assist of CW (and this wonderful forum), I've learned tons.  Am using Sonar X3 Prod. and I love it.  Simple to use, great support, stable.
So, maybe a push from marketing is necessary, but most important is having those bakers at CW continue to listen to the user base, and add features that continue to make Sonar even better.
This DAW software is one of the best creations of man.  Seriously.  It's gold.
2016/05/12 15:20:40
JCB
I have used Cakewalk recording software for many, many years and find my current version a very good all rounder. Before that I used reel to reel. (Yes, I'm giving away my age now :) ). I have a small home studio and record vocals and acoustic instruments as well as Midi keyboards. As well as the Sonar plugins which I use extensively, I also use Spectrasonics Omnisphere 2 and BFD 3.1 and I've had no issues with either of these superb pieces of software.
 
Last October 2015, I upgraded my computer. I had the last PC for over 8 years. I have always used PCs but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something with Apple so decided to look them over as well as my PC options. Apple seem to be popular in the music industry, although I've never found out why. I went along to my local Apple store and spent around an hour with the Audio expert. I finally bought a PC because Apple couldn't supply a machine that is as versatile or capable as the PC that I finally chose. Mine is more powerful and much easier to expand and upgrade for around half the price. It has Thunderbolt and the new USB 3.1 Type C as well as the usual USB 3 and 2.
 
For me, PCs have this contest won hands down. As mentioned eldewhere, Apple may have some advantages but nothing that effects me.
 
I worked in the Oil industry for over 20 years for the biggest Oil companies and Service companies (and they buy the best), and never saw an Apple machine. Their IT managers usually know their stuff.
 
If it does the job ..............
 
Hope this helps,
JCB.
2016/05/12 16:07:10
arachnaut
There may be a reason why the PCs had viruses and Apples didn't. Not many governments or big businesses hide their valuables behind Apple gear.
 
For me, though, I think the major reason I like PC's is because Microsoft tries very hard to keep older stuff working (drivers being an exception) while Apple seems to require all new software on major updates. At least that what seems to happen on the audio forums.
 
Those companies that make software products for PCs and Macs probably write everything under a universal layer of upper level software, like Qt or something like that. I like how Sonar just has to know Windows APIs.
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