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  • How do you change Vertical Grid Lines resolution?
2011/01/09 22:57:44
tycho
Under View > Display > Vertical Grid Lines you can set them to always show (in front or behind) which is great, but they are always set to whole measures. How do you set them to show at say, 1/4th or 1/16th?

Seems really weird that there is an option for this at all with just some arbitrary value hard coded into it.

The main reason I need this is that when you turn "Snap" to off, if hides the snap grid lines. This is annoying because I need those grid lines as a visual reference when I'm dragging around audio and trying to line things up to the grid. 

Basically, I need persistent grid lines that show whether or not "snap" is enabled, and I need to be able to set the timing of these lines. This seems like a super basic feature, am I missing something? Why is there such thing as a "vertical grid line" and why is it independent of the "snap" vertical grid lines? Also, why doesn't it follow the snap time settings?
2011/01/09 23:30:52
chrisharbin
try view/show vertical lines

Well, after re reading and checking some things even that doesn't give me a snap to. Now I'm confused too.
2011/01/10 01:18:59
tycho
Yeah, I can show the lines fine, but can't adjust the resolution. They seem to be hard set to Whole Measure resolution. 

If this is in fact how it was designed, it seems rather poorly thought out. In Reaper, for example, the grid works in a more logical way. You have three basic grid parameters: 1. Show/Hide Grid Lines 2. Snap to Grid on/off 3. Grid Line Spacing (sets resolution in musical time). Pretty straight forward and functional, Cake should look to this model for future implementations as the current setup seems to be some duct taped up solution piggy backed on to a legacy system that isn't really relevant to the current state of the software.
2011/01/10 01:52:20
Middleman
The time signature adjusts the lines. As you change the time signature the lines adjust.
2011/01/10 01:56:59
chrisharbin
tycho


Yeah, I can show the lines fine, but can't adjust the resolution. They seem to be hard set to Whole Measure resolution. 



Yeah, I'm not understanding then. I had to go to that preference and select that in order for the grid lines to be visible at the desired settings. Then, if you change to 1/4 or dotted 1/8 or whatever then the lines adjust properly.

Got nothin' on the snap though as you say they should "snap" to 1/8, 1/16, etc but the notes remain free range so to speak. To be sure, there are issues with the PRV and snap.

2011/01/10 02:02:28
tycho
Middleman-
thanks, but when I try to change the time sig it doesn't reflect in the vertical lines. How would I set the overall project time signature?
2011/01/10 02:06:22
Middleman
Next to the the transport section in the Control Bar is a blue screen with the time counter. In the lower right hand corner there is the time signature. Clik and open the dialog. Set it to 5/4 time and watch the grid lines adjust.
 
Ok, my bad, I just re-read your question and you don't want measure aligned vertical lines, you want to move them to note values. I don't think that is possible.
2011/01/10 02:14:53
tycho
Ok got it... yeah, I basically just want some vertical lines as a visual guide that are always on (unless I choose to turn them off) which follows the specified grid spacing (1/16th etc.) 

The lack of this is really annoying when trying to tighten up timing on audio takes. It's a catch 22: Let's say you have a drum track with a snare hit that was out of time. You want to move it so that the hit lines up with a point on the grid, which you can currently see as a vertical line because snap is on. But you have to turn snap off to move the audio to that point, at which time the vertical line disappears. 

This could all be solved by having some sort of tick mark like "grid lines persist when snap is off".  I am surprised more people aren't complaining about this, isn't that a really standard functionality for a DAW? Or am I doing it wrong? I know AudioSnap is made for this, but from what I've seen of it, it doesn't really work as advertised and besides, I prefer doing it by hand so I have more fine grained control over each note's timing.


2011/01/10 08:09:44
Dave Modisette
I agree with the OP and I can't imagine why this is such a problem to implement or isn't desirable to implement.  I've feature requested it.  It solves a basic need for editing.
The developers gave us Aim assist which is nice but it isn't what we asked for.  It's like you ask for a butter knife to spread your butter on your bread and they hand you a spoon because is almost flat and if you work it just right, butter can be applied to your roll.

There is a work around in Audio Snap but that feature is broken at the present time.  It allows you to add M:B:T to the Audio Snap pool and then when you display the pool lines you can use it like a visual grid.
2011/01/10 09:20:38
patm300e
Try putting a marker there?
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