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  • Two sets of Volume sliders in Consol
2016/06/08 13:37:44
RedSkyRoad
Hi,
 
Each time when I get back into making music and setting SONAR, for the life of me I cannot remember this one setting.  I've posted about it at length before but with the new migration of the User profiles, i cannot find those post in my profile.
 
The setting that I'm after changes the volume sliders from a set that is effected by automation and a set that stays fixed, regardless of volume level automation.
 
Could someone please remind me what this setting is?
2016/06/08 14:07:45
Zargg
Hi. Could it be so easy as to uncheck write enabled on the track itself, or globally if needed?
All the best.
2016/06/08 14:32:46
Midiboy
Do you mean if you have automation on the track, you want to "bypass" the automation and have a separate control of the volume...to say...increase the overall volume of the track?  
 
That would be Ctrl-O
 
I think O stands for Override.  Not sure.  The other solution is to send the automated track to a bus and use the bus for the overall volume.  
2016/06/08 14:44:15
Beepster
Midiboy
Do you mean if you have automation on the track, you want to "bypass" the automation and have a separate control of the volume...to say...increase the overall volume of the track?  
 
That would be Ctrl-O
 
I think O stands for Override.  Not sure.  The other solution is to send the automated track to a bus and use the bus for the overall volume.  




This seems to be the answer you are looking for.
 
It's actually called "Offset"... as in it "offsets" the levels caused by your automation envelopes and allows you to just adjust the overal level that is produced by the envelope(s).
 
This can cause other issues/confusion though because AFAIK it is a global setting.
 
There are workarounds to avoid the problems caused by faders being overtaken by envelopes though without resorting to Offset mode.
 
If you are interested I, and I'm sure others, could provide extra info.
 
Cheers.
2016/06/08 14:48:24
Midiboy
OFFSET!  That's right.  The bus solution I talked about is one such method to have a separate control of the volume on an automated channel.  There are also tricks you can do with plugins as well, but, depending on the plug, you could be at risk of introducing extra noise or other unwanted things. 
2016/06/08 14:54:56
bvideo
Are you thinking of "offset mode"? Offset mode changes the level relative to normal mode. Normal mode follows automation.
2016/06/08 15:11:44
Bristol_Jonesey
WARNING!
 
If you engage offset mode and don't switch back to envelope mode, all your fader moves will apply to previously written automation.
 
Usual methodology is to engage Offset, make the moves you want and switch it off again.
 
At least this is how I've grown to use it.
 
BTW, ctrl & O or O by itself doesn't work any more. There is a specific button in the Mix Module of the Control Bar.
I guess it was too easy before to accidentally hit O and before you knew it, your mix was a mess!!
2016/06/08 15:11:57
Beepster
Midiboy
OFFSET!  That's right.  The bus solution I talked about is one such method to have a separate control of the volume on an automated channel.  There are also tricks you can do with plugins as well, but, depending on the plug, you could be at risk of introducing extra noise or other unwanted things. 




This is a scook trick.. and is actually based on an old Anderton trick:
 
To get a effect insert volume control that does NOT have any risk of adding any effects you can insert an empty FX Chain module into either the Prochannel or the FX bin. You put this immediately BEFORE the track fader (so either at the bottom of the Prochannel Chain or the FX Rack/Bin chain).
 
NOTE: You need to pay attention to your Pre/Post status on the Prochannel to make sure the FX Chain Module is indeed placed directly BEFORE the main track fader.
 
eg: If you have your Prochannel BEFORE the FX Rack/Bin then put the FX Chain module in the FX Rack/Bin. If you have the Prochannel AFTER the FX Rack/Bin then insert the FX Chain into the Prochannel as a "ProChannel Module".
 
This has to be an EMPTY FX Chain (or at least an FX Chain with all the FX turned off but why insert extra effects just for a volume control?).
 
Now instead of creating a Volume Envelope that will overtake your track fader you simply automate the Output level on your FX Chain module. This is the same as automating your fader (as long as you make sure the Chain appears directly BEFORE the track fader in your chain using the Pre/Post status of the Prochannel as I described above).
 
It also avoid the rather confusing and heavy fisted "Offset" option.
 
Just putting that out there for anyone interested in this very cool trick.
 
Again all credit goes to scook and Anderton. Anderton's trick was from the X1 Advanced series where he used the "Tube" Prochannel module to accomplish this but since then we now have Prochannel FX Chains which do the same job but better/foolproof.... which is what scook pointed out to me a while back.
 
The extra overthinking of the technique though is me just being a spazz and goofing around with it.
 
Cheers.
2016/06/08 15:15:33
Midiboy
Regarding the skook / Anderton trick...seems like sending a track to a bus would be easier...
 
As to the CTRL - O not working any longer...yes.  It does.
 
You have to select a track on the console first.  Click the track.  Then CTRL - O.  You can't just CTRL - O any longer.
 
Though now you have me doubting myself. lol.  Now I want to go home and try it. lol.  
2016/06/08 15:23:27
subtlearts
Offset mode scares me. I actually think it's a kind of black magic. If I notice that I've accidentally engaged it, I immediately run screaming from the room, and only return in full-protection kevlar body armour. With a flamethrower. Lost a few good computers that way, and burned down the whole house once or twice, but it's better to be safe than sorry! 
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