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2016/06/02 20:03:15
backwoods
Jonbouy
Anderton
 
.. And no, I'm not going to tell you, any more than I'm going to email all of Cakewalk's competitors and say "Listen up, folks! You better be ready to counter these upcoming initiatives, so here they are!"




I wonder how those emails will be recieved.
 
Wouldn't it be better to just blaze yer own trail and leave everyone else floundering in their own self-perpetuating darkness?
 
I dunno perosnally, I know nothing about business just like you suspect.




hey jonboy-- ever get pheads to make software purchases resaleable like you railed against cakewalk to do :) no, of course you didn't... it is binding EU law is it not 
2016/06/02 20:19:06
Jonbouy
backwoods
Jonbouy
Anderton
 
.. And no, I'm not going to tell you, any more than I'm going to email all of Cakewalk's competitors and say "Listen up, folks! You better be ready to counter these upcoming initiatives, so here they are!"




I wonder how those emails will be recieved.
 
Wouldn't it be better to just blaze yer own trail and leave everyone else floundering in their own self-perpetuating darkness?
 
I dunno perosnally, I know nothing about business just like you suspect.




hey jonboy-- ever get pheads to make software purchases resaleable like you railed against cakewalk to do :) no, of course you didn't... it is binding EU law is it not 




???
 
Is there a point you are making here?  When did I rail against Cakewalk making software transferable?  I'd have more likely been pro reselling rather than against it.
 
Besides what does any of that have to do with the June 1st announcement which is being discussed here?
 
If you've got some long standing personal resentment thing going on or you are interested in buying my copy of Reason then by all means take it to PM, meanwhile I'm interested in the detail of what is happening here now, such as lifetime updates and finally a cross-platform Sonar on the horizon.
2016/06/02 20:20:28
backwoods
you've just got a $hite memory mate...
2016/06/02 20:21:13
mixmkr
without reading the thread, I can say that running on a Mac now might get Sonar in some studios where engineers think only tubes and Macs are the real deal.  ....like wedging your foot in the door, so to speak.  Smart move IMO.  One way to become "the" industry standard...for those slow to give up on their Apple products.  GIve Cake a year or two..  I think we'll be pleasantly pleased.
2016/06/02 20:22:56
Jonbouy
backwoods
you've just got a $hite memory mate...




Clearly. <shrugs>, but as far I can recall I've always been pro license transfers.
 
Perhaps you'd like to update your file on me to record that. 
2016/06/02 21:54:05
ampfixer
We can't sell our Cakewalk software but there's some EU regulations regarding software that says you have the right to resell or transfer ownership. There have been a number of threads about this subject over the years, and just about everyone participated in them.
 
P.S.
In view of recent threads I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps.
2016/06/02 23:16:07
Anderton
ampfixer
In view of recent threads I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps.

 
Tubey-wan Knobby was your master, yes?
2016/06/02 23:40:49
Geo524
I have the utmost trust and confidence in Cakewalk. I read all the negative comments and chuckled. It was clear right from the start that most of the negative comments were based on pure specualtion and personal opinions. Cakewalk has been around a long time and in the 10 or 11 years I've been a Sonar user they've always dekivered on their promises and have always shown they really do care about their customers. That is so obvious. When I received the offer for lifetime updates I didn't have to think twice about it. It was a no-brainer. I'm very grateful to have received the offer and thank Cakewalk/Gibson for making it available. 
2016/06/03 03:44:30
Kylotan
Anderton
A lot of people here claim to understand business and therefore say concepts like lifetime updates can't work. But there have already been proofs of concept of lifetime updates...last time I looked, Image-Line, Microsoft, Apple, and others are still in business. They make more from compelling add-ons than they made from OS updates. It's not rocket science.

 
Apple makes most of its money from hardware. It subsidises software in order to sell more hardware. I don't see how Gibson will drive physical sales from underpricing Sonar so I don't think this route makes sense.
 
Microsoft makes most of its money from licensed software which they replace over time - i.e. either the standard retail model or the rental/subscription/membership model. Sonar are moving away from that, so it's not a good comparison.
 
Image-Line's revenues are harder for me to find. But it seems reasonable to assume that this is a much closer match given the similarity of the software on offer. And what did we find with FL Studio? You get free lifetime upgrades, but very little has changed with the software in the 15 years or so I've been using it. Go dig up a video of 'Fruity Loops 3' and compare it to today's screenshots. They've basically added one new arrangement window and done a little bit of tinkering around the edges. And that's perfectly fine - why fix it if it isn't broken?
 
Unfortunately Sonar is not in quite as good a state. Yes, it's more capable than FL Studio, but it's also an order of magnitude more bugged and more unpredictable. I might retract that if the much vaunted 'ripple editing' and take-lane improvements deliver as promised, but in the long term Sonar needs a lot more fixing up than FL Studio does. But if people aren't typically paying for the core product but are paying for the add-ons - many of which will not be restricted to Sonar (again, see the Image-Line model) - there's going to continue to be this tension between working on fixes for people who've already paid and working on new things they can sell.
 
To be clear, I don't doubt Cakewalk's motives or think they're doing something underhand. I think they have a plan and I don't think that plan aligns with what I would want from the software, that's all. I might still opt in to the lifetime deal at some point just to get access to bug fixes for when I use existing projects, although I resent having to do that on a matter of principle.
 
Feel free to believe the negative people who have been consistently wrong in the past. Just hope they're not financial advisors 

 
I've been a negative person about the membership model. I feel I was right. It was a decent deal financially but my concern that they'd focus on shiny things for new customers and leave old stuff broken was borne out. The other aspect was the pendulum swinging from 'half the updates break something significant' in the early days to 'half the updates don't do anything significant' in the later months, so at least maybe they've learned from that.
2016/06/03 04:08:33
Skyline_UK
CW have always done a fine job, hence my long term commitment. I chime in with small grumbles on occasion but they're never anything to do with CW's core commitment and overall direction which I'm totally happy with. I signed up for lifetime updates as soon as I received the first email, of course. The move to cater for Mac users was as logical as night follows day.
Communication sometimes comes over as not being CW's strongest suit. I think the recent big announcement should have been conveyed more formally and in an articulate manner by a proper spokesperson; I found the 'wow', 'awesome', 'cool', 'awesome' (again) presentation lamentable, sorry. The opposite of a model of clarity when clarity should have been the order of the day.     
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