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2013/04/15 12:54:49
TremoJem
 Jim, I took a look at your website. Very Nice. My question is: what is a cube, as I have never seen this. Is it a "footprint" thing, with regards to it's size and shape? It clearly is faster...running at 4.5. It looks like a speed advantage over the "Pro Studio" tower. I could be wrong and there are possibly MANY things I am missing here, but I like what I see. Please advise or if you want to take this private I respect that. Thanks
2013/04/15 13:09:17
Jim Roseberry
Hi Tremo,

I'd be happy to answer more detailed questions via PM (so not to spam the forums).

Yes, a cube is a smaller foot-print case (great for transporting or scenarios where space is a premium).  I wanted to have a small form-factor machine that offered the same performance as our Platinum tower.  Same CPU and Clock-speed...
2013/04/15 15:01:10
DW_Mike
Jim Roseberry


Hi Mike,

If you're trying to keep an eye on the budget, I'd opt for a socket 1155 based machine.
The 3770k will easily (quietly) run at 4.5GHz... and that'll yield plenty of DSP resources for all but the most extensive of dense mixes.

If you go socket 2011, you've absolutely got to use a top-notch CPU cooler (to keep temps and noise in check).

One question for you Jim.
The case I have has a front FireWire port.
I only need it for an external HD that I have. I'd like to be able to get some of my old files off of it and maybe use as a back-up HD that I can keep off site, so it doesn't have to be TI .


I've done lot's of searching cant seem to find a mobo for the 3077k that has a socket for front access FW port.
I'm guessing that since FW is on the way out that there isn't one.
You by any chance don't know of one do ya?


I know I can get a FW card but would much rather use the front port since it already there.


Thanks again for your input.


Mike


 
2013/04/15 20:55:25
IronSound
Hello... here is site I have used for Rackmount type of cases... http://plinkusa.net/ accepts paypal thru their EBAY lists too... I put a micro-atx board with four memory slots, into a 3U chassis that was only 11.81" deep, has mounting for a Standard ATX PowerSupply, and plenty of pre-cut case Fan mounts... http://www.plinkusa.net/web3013s.htm ... Considerations in this case build are,
1) if you want a CD/DVD drive, you need to consider the type of CPU FAN you use, for height clearance...
2) mine came with four 60mm front mounted fans @12vdc, I changed wire for 5vdc quiet operation.
3) for full size PCI-e Video card, cut slot into the Drive bay shelf for clearance... but will not affect mounting of drives.

Was a tight fit... but was very happy with the results for Rackmounting a PC, using Standard Parts, 3U size, 12" deep, and under $100 case. 

As your need for front case FW... there are many ways to mount cables and connectors yourself, from the rear to the front, using DIY yourself parts and tools...
2013/04/16 03:52:15
Goddard
Jim Roseberry



Lining the case (or at least the lid) with sound deadening foam mat can cost a bit but can be worth it. Plenty of DIY case quieting info available on sites like silentpcreview and htpc sites if you search for it.



Lining the case with foam can help vibration related noise, but it won't make loud components quiet (as I'm sure you already know).
No different than putting that 1/4" foam on your studio walls... and expecting it to sound-proof the room.    

Jim, there are different kinds of noise-reduction foams, performing different functions.


Lining case panels with noise "dampening"or "insulating" material (such as a closed cell foam like neoprene sponge) can reduce panel vibration as well as noise transmission through the panel. A layer of vinyl flooring (or another "limp mass" material) can also work in this role. Such noise-dampening/insulating treatment may be found lurking behind the carpeting at the front foot wells of automobiles (to block noise coming through the thin sheet metal chassis into the passenger cabin) and inside old high speed printer enclosures (to block noise transmission from inside).


Using a noise "absorbent" foam liner (typically an open-cell foam) inside a case can quieten the case by absorbing the sound (converting the sound waves' mechanical energy into heat) and diffusing the sound (reducing reverberation (reflection) inside the case).

Generally, the idea is to dampen vibration of large panels (e.g. the side covers) of a case, along with using sound absorption treatment to reduce noise inside the case (which if untreated can be emitted through vent openings). 

Baffling of vent openings can also help to reduce sound emission from a case, as can designing the case to avoid direct paths to the exterior in the first place (e.g., baffled front panels with side or bottom intake openings, ideally being lined with noise absorption material) as well as using quieter fans on heatsinks and especially at intake and exhaust vents. 

The noise spectra blocked/absorbed and effectiveness (loss coefficient) varies by foam material and thickness, of course, with lower frequencies being more difficult to treat for. Thicker is generally better, but using a thick lining can be problematic as it can make case panels difficult to mount, make cabling difficult and may also reduce cooling air flow inside the case.

There are "composite" foam sheets available combining both a noise dampener layer and a noise absorbent layer, or one can DIY and laminate different layers.


The purpose and type of sound treatment used in a studio varies, being for noise diffusion or noise absorption or blocking noise transmission, or combinations thereof. But no amount or type of sound treatment inside a studio will help if your studio DAW PC is noisy (except for an iso booth)!


There, more than you ever wanted to know!
2013/04/16 15:49:30
DW_Mike
OK, I went with the i7 3770k - socket 1155.

A mobo that offers FW support doesn't have the min of 6 USB I'd like so I guess I'll just not wire the FW on the front of my case and opt for a FW card if need be.

I'm looking at this mobo http://www.microcenter.com/product/386359/GA-Z77X-UD5H_LGA_1155_Z77_ATX_Motherboard 

I also like some Asus boards because of the ability to add thunderbold in the future.

Any thoughts or suggestions?

Mike
2013/04/18 14:05:09
DW_Mike
So far this is where I sit.

Case - http://www.quietpcusa.com/Gigabyte-Cupio-6140-Mid-Tower-Quiet-PC-Case-P558.aspx 

Mobo - http://www.microcenter.com/product/386359/GA-Z77X-UD5H_LGA_1155_Z77_ATX_Motherboard 

CPU -  http://www.microcenter.com/product/388575/Core_i7_3770K_35GHz_LGA_1155_Processor 

RAM - http://www.dexid.org/wiki/Crucial_BLE2CP8G3D1869DE1TX0 

CPU Cooling - http://www.microcenter.com/product/404943/Hydro_Series_H80i_Extreme_Performance_Liquid_CPU_Cooler 

OS - Windows Home Premium SP1 64Bit OEM - Went up to Pro so I can use 32GB RAM if I want. 

And my grounding wrist strap. 


Anyone see any issues with any of this before I swipe the card?


Still need 2 - 1TB HD's, my SSD and power supply (thinking 750 Watt)


All recommendations or changes welcome.
Thanks.


Mike  






2013/04/18 15:08:03
fireberd
I would suggest replacing the stock Corsair H80 cooling fans with "quiet" fans as I did.  I talked to Corsair support about the noise and he was the one that put me on to the quiet fans.  He said the noise from the stock fans was a common complaint (don't know why Corsair hasn't done something about it).
2013/04/18 15:52:42
DW_Mike
Thanks Jack.

Mike
2013/04/19 06:41:17
fireberd
I just looked at the noise level specs for the H80i and its 37dba.  That is loud.  Quiet fans are a must.
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