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2016/05/24 14:27:20
gprokap
 . . . regarding editing?
 
I've just recently upgraded from 8.5 to Platinum and I've gotten most stuff down, my usual method of normal tightening (de-humanizng) multi-track drums was absolutely painful in Platinum.   I had to go back to 8.5 to finish my edits which isn't that big of a deal at this time but eventually I won't have 8.5 on my PC anymore.
 
My "old" workflow was to add the transients from the kick and snare to the pool, split the multi-track drums at the pool transients, quantize and adjust manually what needed adjusting.  Trying to do this in Platinum was painful as this creates thousands if not 10s of thousands of objects, scrolling through in 8.5 is smooth (decent rig, 2015 I7 CPU, lost of RAM, decent video card, dual SSDs in RAID-0) but on Platinum it was slow and choppy.
 
So what are other people doing?   I'm free and open to new ideas if they are better than mine.
 
I've looked online and all the YouTube tutorials are more clumsy than my current method.
 
EDIT:  Please only reply if you actually know what I'm talking about and have some actual useful information.  Thank you.
2016/05/24 16:31:05
vanceen
I've been doing a lot of drum tracking over the last couple of years; I'm still no expert but I've learned a couple of things re: editing.
 
My first rule is to always use a click. Sometimes people resist it, because they are such creative flowers <g>, but it's worth insisting. On top of that, if the drums are getting recorded by themselves (as opposed to a rhythm section all at once), I'll first create a simple, solid bass and guitar (or bass and piano) track that is lined up perfectly with the click, and let the drummer record to that along with the click.
 
I have never had any success using the wholesale quantizing tools with drums. Perhaps it's my incompetence, but I always get unsatisfactory results that way. That applies especially to AudioSnap, but cutting the clips at transients and quantizing clip start times isn't reliable for me either, IF I try to do most or all of the drum track at one time.
 
Instead, I listen to the drums along with the scratch tracks and only fix them when I hear a problem. If something needs fixing, it's usually easier for me to split and realign tracks (using Selection Grouping), as opposed to digging into other takes looking for a better performance. I'm a huge fan of comping for vocals and other instruments, but it doesn't help me much with drums. Maybe this is partly because the drummer I usually work with is very good, but I also found that take selection wasn't too helpful when editing my own drumming (which is not very good).
2016/05/24 17:11:18
gprokap
vanceen
I have never had any success using the wholesale quantizing tools with drums. Perhaps it's my incompetence, but I always get unsatisfactory results that way. That applies especially to AudioSnap . . .


It's not you, it's audio-snap.   Audiosnap's detection algorithm isn't that great and if the signal was compressed going to "tape" it'll often not detect the transients right and will put the marker in the wrong spot.  My workaround for that is to clone the kick and snare, apply Slate's Trigger to the clones and use Audiosnap on those tracks.   For whatever reason Audiosnap read those a hell of a lot better.
 
And you just can't quantize a whole song and have it work, it's best done a section at a time. 
 
I've had a ton of success with this, in 8.5.   Looking for WORKING ideas with Plat.
2016/05/24 17:24:14
jeff oliver
Hello. Did you know in Platinum you can record the actual click track? You could use that as a guide perhaps?
2016/05/24 18:04:28
gprokap
jeff oliver
Hello. Did you know in Platinum you can record the actual click track? You could use that as a guide perhaps?




Of course i knew that.
 
do you have any actual useful information regarding the topic I'm discussing?   If not why did you bother posting?
2016/05/24 18:42:46
bitman
When I ran my little studio I had 8 track dedicated to the drums and recorded the band live.
If the band was good the recording (timing) was good. If not, then not. I was a recording enginner
not they're Mr. fix it.
 
 
2016/05/24 18:44:37
jeff oliver
Goodbye
2016/05/24 18:52:13
Razorwit
Hi gprokap,
I record trap kits all the time. Sadly, my experience with audio-snap across multiple tracks has been underwhelming, so these days I export out to another product for drum edits and the pull them back into Sonar to finish mixing (it's kinda bad form to talk about competing products on the Sonar site, so PM me if you want details). 
 
One other thought, though I've not tried this, if you have Melodyne Studio you might try pulling your drum tracks into that. Like I said, I haven't had the chance to try it yet but it may be an option.
 
Dean
2016/05/24 19:29:03
ampfixer
gprokap
jeff oliver
Hello. Did you know in Platinum you can record the actual click track? You could use that as a guide perhaps?




Of course i knew that.
 
do you have any actual useful information regarding the topic I'm discussing?   If not why did you bother posting?




At the risk of getting banned, I have to say you are a dick. The guy WAS trying to help.
2016/05/24 20:00:59
bluzdog
gprokap
jeff oliver
Hello. Did you know in Platinum you can record the actual click track? You could use that as a guide perhaps?




Of course i knew that.
 
do you have any actual useful information regarding the topic I'm discussing?   If not why did you bother posting?


That was a little harsh don't ya think? This is actually new since aux tracks came out a few months ago. He was trying to be helpful, adios.
 
Rocky 
 
 
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