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Ozric Tentacles were an awesome prog rock band, of which Eat Static came out of. The mastery these guys had of analogue synths I've never heard anyone match

I love ozric but they sound a lot like Steve hillage era gong on instruMentals

Some of their stuff I like, but when they completly rock out, it's too much from me.

Steve Hillage used to have a set of Dildos for playing his guitar, the moters used to do funny things to the pic ups

bitflipperBTW, can anybody explain the term "progressive house"? What, exactly, makes it "progressive"?

 
This is a rather hassle-some thing that I have had a serious issue with at the Progressive Archives board ... to the point where I am no longer interested in discussing music with little boys that do not think that music exists in other parts of the world, and that most musicians are too stupid to write anything except what they are told can be done, or "must" be done, to make this "romantic", "baroque", bs, or "progressive"
 
There is a good side to it ... it helps identify a style ... but a "style" is not a "process" ... thus, musicologists do not like to use "styles" as a definition.
 
All in all, most "progressive" sites, use the bizarre things like ... jagged guitar sounds and licks, odd time changes and references ... however ... when you listen to half the stuff that they consider progressive, the format is the same as a sonata format, or the easiest, and the one format that you are first taught in school ... because you do not need to know music a whole lot to understand it!
 
The other bad part, is that some of the progressive definitions are messed up ... like ... this band uses these sound effects and they are "metal-prog" like Dream Theater, let's say ... and that is bizarre ... if you unplug the band ... you got what? ... at least with DT, you have a piece of music, but most others, you don't!
 
All in all, what has become known as "progressive" was a part of the 60's and early 70's and it was a "reaction" to the media blowup with television, that woke up half the world to what the other half was doing. It's really hard for me to accept someone calling "ITCOTCK" a progressive album, but they do not know, or discuss the lyrics ... when one piece is about the loudness and the psychotic noise  ... like bombs going off by the IRA or in VietNam ... or Paris ... and you speaking to the wind, and it meaning nothing because you can not hear it, and neither can anyone else ... these ...a re still true today, and to me that is the totality of the "progessive" and its very definition.
 
I like it when they call ELP progressive, and then they can not discuss lyrics, and "The Endless Enigma" is another version of the original Greg Lake speaking the words that tomorrow he will be crying ... but this time he's pist and saying ... don't tell me lies ... mf'r ... and everyone thinks the music is progressive but the lyrics don't matter ... it's just another rock song.
 
Too much of music, is just a song ... the issue is, how strong are you to make it more than just a song ... it's an anthem ... for a period of time, and this is the reason why Jimi playing the anthem is the ultimate symbol for rock and roll, that brought "progressive" to the front, and killed on the same night ... it was played infront of garbage, and no one was paying attention ... and even today ... we treat music just like another song ... it doesn't mean anything to anyone ... it's all good clean fun and another beat-off in the bathroom!
 
Progressive ... deserves its claim, and it's time and place ... but it will not happen without the arts that also took it there, which the majority of progressive groups in the Internet are afraid to check out and discuss ... because that would rencer their definition stupid and totally off base, and off key!
 
It's hard to tell people that you can take one play in London (Peter Brook's Marat/Sade) and that you will find words from that play in at least 10 of the best known progressive bands out there ... during that time ... but it doesn't mean anything? ... I guess because musicians are silly, stupid and bizarre and do not enjoy movies, theater, literature and anything else?

I like my reply better.

Hi,

Here's my list ... no links ... I'm at work. I list these, because these folks defy description half the time, and you can not pigeonhole them in anything ... to me, that is "progressive" ... and some of the most exciting and expressive music ever done.

-- Amon Duul 2 - all the way to "Vive La Trance"

-- Can - all the way to "Landed". Specially dig the transitions in the long cut "Bel Air" and then the side 2 of "Soon Over Babbalooma" ... absolutely soft, astounding and so beautifully done.

-- Gentle Giant -- All the way to "Freehand". Not one of my favorite bands, but the musicianship here is insane ... and Gary Green has stated that nothing was composed and most of it, they just ... did!

-- Frank Zappa -- You know this one, but he is an acquired taste, but his musicianship is pretty much ... second to none.

-- Djam Karet -- when you compare this band to King Crimson's first 5 albums, DK is far better and more interesting and expressive. Maybe one day ... someone will sit through "Dark Clouds, No Rain" ... and realize that KC is just another rock band for radio!

-- Robert Fripp -- I do not consider, other than KC's 1st album, his band progressive, because they repeat themselves. But there are some nice things, and "Lark's Tongues in Aspic", "Red" and "Starless and Bible Black" are very nice and enjoyable, but they do not have the pizzaz that other folks have, and that Robert himself had with his experimentations, from Eno, to Cluster and to many others, that showed he was much more interesting ... than KC!

The others, are not considered "progressive" per se, but they broke more barriers and boundaries than we can give them credit for.

-- Incredible String Band - From the off kilter vocals to incredible vocal arrangements, no one can do this better than them. Sit down with "Earth Span" one of these days ... and admire, some incredible work and words.

-- Alan Stivell - Tough one since he blends everything, and the kitchen sink in his music and you don't know if this is new age, classical, traditional, or ... rock plinn! ... or jazz plinn!

-- Banco del Muttuo Soccorso - Less "familiar" in its style than most other bands, this one is more "eccentric" than PFM, and unusual in its compositional sense, but extremely well defined and the musicianship is outstanding. This is not "conventional" at all, even though it is very classically oriented in its approach, but strictly with rock instruments. Beautidully done, and the first album is a treat as is Darwin and "In a Last Supper".

Continuing with Marillion side projects, here's DeeExpus with Mark Kelly on keys, liking this a lot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDo63P3gn_U&feature=relmfu

i enjoyed Fish's '13th Star' solo album, James... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haKoEerFfwk is the title track

I liked the Twelfth Night stuff.  I'm looking forward to checking out some of the other bands.  May suggest Glass Hammer?

Happy the Man - The great( ken ) Scott produced their first 2 albums I think.

Hi,

For those keeping track...
(Yes, I've been doing a lot of research tonight!)

Fruupp (has two "p's" at the end), and
Banco del Mutuo Soccorso (only has one "t" in "Mutuo")
Heather Findlay ("ay" at the end)
Can't find Shelley.

HTH