2012/08/23 22:28:06
sharke
Being able to read music opens so many doors. Not just job-wise, but also in terms of exposing you to a much wider musical influence. It's pretty straightforward to pick out a Jimmy Page solo by ear if you're competent enough, but try working out a Bach fugue or some George Van Eps the same way. You're not only faced with some very complex harmony and counterpoint, but also endlessly different ways of fingering it, only some of which make practical sense. Whereas, if you can read music, you're straight in there and getting the benefit of the music without having to worry about the hows and the whys. 

Guitarists are the absolute worst for sight reading, of course. Many of them wear their musical illiteracy like a badge of honor. That, and the fact that the fingering complexities make sight reading on guitar a bit harder than most instruments. 

I learned to read a little over 10 years ago and it was the best thing I ever did. I started off with an old book of John Renbourn fingerstyle pieces. At the beginning I was literally working out every note on the stave and counting out rhythms one bar at a time. It was painfully slow. By the end of the book, I was very almost sight reading them. From there I progressed to simple classical pieces and within a year sight reading Bach fugues and complex lute pieces. It's amazing how quickly you can progress, if you already have the manual dexterity. Some people say you can't reach a high standard of reading unless you start when you're a kid, but I was in my late 20's. I don't think it's too late for anyone to learn. 
2012/08/24 04:31:52
Boomin36Beatz

@ JONBOUY, SPACEY, Mod BOB and SHARKE
BRAVO very good arguments. not brainless talk 
but i am sorry
i have to say i am out
Thanks for sharing your personal opinions.

PEACE!!!
2012/08/24 06:59:49
dappa1
I will have a stab at this:

I know alot of people who read music and it seems to hinder them interms of impro. They do rely on memory and sort of get through the parts they have memorised but still quite not get it. Unless they are highly trained then they sound fantastic.


I would say maybe if you want to read music learn it all the way to the advanced stage as you may sound a little amateurish when playing normal licks.

My sister plays by sight reading but now is teaching herself to play by ear...I asked her why and she told me she only understands the notes she has read.

I felt some sort of relieve when she said that, reason being that reading music doesn't necesarily gain an distinct advantage over playing by ear. Infact it maybe harder to learn how to play by ear than it is to read.

Then again I would be stuck if I'm honest if I tried to learn how to read music. I would feel somehow hemmed in. That is why I chose to play by ear. It has been a journey and still is as I learn to pick up songs which I am doing quite quickly.

All in all I think it is how comfy you are with it.

Question: do you get any satisfaction from playing and the love of it.

I don't care how you get there as long as you get there!
2012/08/24 09:39:53
spacey
sharke


Being able to read music opens so many doors. Not just job-wise, but also in terms of exposing you to a much wider musical influence. It's pretty straightforward to pick out a Jimmy Page solo by ear if you're competent enough, but try working out a Bach fugue or some George Van Eps the same way. You're not only faced with some very complex harmony and counterpoint, but also endlessly different ways of fingering it, only some of which make practical sense. Whereas, if you can read music, you're straight in there and getting the benefit of the music without having to worry about the hows and the whys. 

Guitarists are the absolute worst for sight reading, of course. Many of them wear their musical illiteracy like a badge of honor. That, and the fact that the fingering complexities make sight reading on guitar a bit harder than most instruments. 

I learned to read a little over 10 years ago and it was the best thing I ever did. I started off with an old book of John Renbourn fingerstyle pieces. At the beginning I was literally working out every note on the stave and counting out rhythms one bar at a time. It was painfully slow. By the end of the book, I was very almost sight reading them. From there I progressed to simple classical pieces and within a year sight reading Bach fugues and complex lute pieces. It's amazing how quickly you can progress, if you already have the manual dexterity. Some people say you can't reach a high standard of reading unless you start when you're a kid, but I was in my late 20's. I don't think it's too late for anyone to learn. 

Great post sharke.
 
I can imagine there are many that will not understand some of the details you mentioned
that make reading music such a challenge for a guitarist.
 
Unlike many other instruments with a guitar a written note representing a specific pitch (a guitar
is a transposed instrument) that pitch can be played in numberous positions on the fretboard.
An example:
An "E" note on the staff representing the same pitch as the little, first string of the guitar played open....can also be on the 2nd string 5th fret, 3rd string 9th fret, 4th string 14th fret, 5th string 19th fret and 6th string 24th fret if ya have one.
 
That mechanical aspect alone should give a clear understanding that a guitarist is constantly making
decisions on where to execute. It has a direct bearing on the fingering and could easily determine
if the passage may be just to difficult to play in that position.
 
I can see, not being a pianist, that it must be much easier reading music as a written note is
played with one specific key.
 
I started learning to read when I started learning to play. One major difference is when people
that don't read start talking about reading music and what effects it may or may not have really
don't know what they're talking about. They're just stating an opinion much like explaining the color blue. Yeah...tell me all about what blue is.
 
The real problem and issue in my opinion is the program teaching.
I really don't know how to warn parents but a teacher can teach a student much like
a monkey. They see that dot and do that. Horrible way to teach and/or learn.
 
If there is anything at all bad about learning to read...that would be the only thing I can think of. 
  
  
 
2012/08/24 11:08:15
Boomin36Beatz
A GUITARIST HAS HIS GUITAR. A PIANO PLAYER HIS PIANO. AND ETC... ETC... AND I HAVE SONAR :-) I KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT EXACTLY. BUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAN READ NOTES THINK THAT THEY ARE SOMETHING SPECIAL. BUT THE FACT IS THEY ARE IGNORANT AND SO SO BLIND. 2000 YEARS AGO 99% OF THE HUMAN BEINGS ON THIS LILL BEATIFULL BLUE PLANET COULD NOT READ BUT WE ARE STILL ALIVE AREN'T WE? AND MUSIC HAD BEEN ALREADY EXIST BEFORE BACH,MOZART AND CO. ??? let us wait a few hundreds years and you will see an Instrument that can visualize brain impulses and turn it into music. then everybody will get his dream music and will be totaly satisfied. i started this topic because of some stupid people that i met in real life and online. like i said, i didn't like their "music" and i was amused about so much foolishness. i hope now you see my point of view. and i just wanted to if I am the only person that thinks that way. sorry for my miserable English and thanks for sharing your real opinion PEACE!!!
2012/08/24 11:21:05
The Maillard Reaction

lol



2012/08/24 11:23:39
batsbrew
there is never a downside to having more skills.
2012/08/24 11:24:22
sharke
Heh. 
2012/08/24 11:25:09
Mesh
Boomin36Beatz


2000 YEARS AGO 99% OF THE HUMAN BEINGS ON THIS LILL BEATIFULL BLUE PLANET COULD NOT READ BUT WE ARE STILL ALIVE AREN'T WE? AND MUSIC HAD BEEN ALREADY EXIST BEFORE BACH,MOZART AND CO. ??? let us wait a few hundreds years  

 
 
 
 
Bubba, have you been playing with Glue again?
2012/08/24 11:31:54
spacey
We know there are many types of people with many attitudes.
I can understand how one can be bothered by anothers words or actions
but in truth I've always been more concerned with understanding how
I felt and what I knew so I listen to determine if any information is worth
retaining for my benefit.
Whether or not another can or can't read is of no matter to me. Their attitude
is of no matter to me personally.

When those traits do matter is when I have to work, study or perform with another musician.
Before committing to working with them these type of things are good to know for the
sake of compatibility.
In the past I can say I had no problem with musicians that couldn't read but I did have
problems with the ones that had "different" attitudes.

One big attitude issue is when a musician is more concerned about others performance
more than they are of their own.

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