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2012/08/22 21:39:56
57Gregy
I think if you are a contributing writer, you should join a PRO, especially in a partnership like you described. Even if he is a relative, kinda.
2012/08/22 22:38:53
craigb
Or kinda relative?
2012/08/22 23:48:00
julibee
He's both, oddly enough. ;)

And, it was HIS suggestion that I join one, he's not claiming exclusivity or anything... I don't think he's shady at all, really.
2012/08/23 09:21:48
Jonbouy

Here's the question.... He asked if I'm affiliated with BMI or ASCAP or SESAC. I'm not. Yet. So, I start looking into it, and very quickly run into conflicting bits of advice. I don't pretend that this will actually lead to anything, but it MIGHT and so....


Julibee, Julibee, Julibee!!!

If you look into anything whatsoever on the internet you'll get conflicting opinions.  Would you go to the internet for solutions for a toothache?  No you visit a good dentist.

You are whether you realise it or not a MAJOR talent by any standards, that's not flattery, that is plain simple fact.   You may not pretend that this will actually lead to anything but sooner or later something IS very likely to!

You need some professional representation in your area to cater for both your writing and performing talents, start mailing out to some of the artists you really admire in the field you want to operate in, ask them who represents them and how they go about.  I've found the more successful the artist the more approachable they are, they will mostly welcome your interest.

Network, build up a picture of who's pulling the strings in whatever area that interests you and get on somebody's books.

Stop browsing and start breaking some doors down is my suggestion.  Start rubbing shoulders with those who are already doing it!

http://siamusic.net/

http://twitter.com/shutupolivia

Here's a couple to start with!


2012/08/23 09:42:34
UbiquitousBubba
[Jonbouy knows stuff.  I'm totally freaking out right now.]

This is why some are some are good at what they do and others have nonsensical names and ridiculous avatars.  By the way, did you know that a toothache can be an indication that you were previously abducted by aliens?  I read that on the Internet.
2012/08/23 09:50:14
Karyn
I have real bad toothache (or real good, depending on how you quantify toothache. Eitherway, it hurts like hell...)

Jules, get yourself registered with your local PRO.  As JB said, ask advice from others in the same or similar field to you,  the bigger the better.
2012/08/23 09:53:45
UbiquitousBubba
The next time I'm abducted, I'll talk to them about your toothache. 
2012/08/23 10:04:40
Guitarhacker
julibee


Herb, I am writing it.  The lyrics, anyway (and singing). And I'm glad you said what you did about BMI and overseas... Because the info I found said that only ASCAP collaborated like that.  Of course, I think that was at the ASCAP site.

So... the mechanic royalties will be partly mine as the artist/singer (beats y Taj and his crew) but I think I'll also need to do the songwriter half with a PRO as well as copyright some stuff.... 

Make sense?  

Yep.....OK.. so as a co-writer of the song, you DO want to join the PRO.  ASCAP and BMI are the 2 biggies for US writers.  Either one is fine. Both do the same thing. Joining either is totally free and can be done on line at their web site.  You want to write your CAE/IPI number down and your co-writer will need this if he is registering the song with the PRO. That's kinda like your SSN in the PRO world. It's how they track where the money goes. 

You would decide between the two of you, which one of you will register the song with the PRO and copyright office. I'm thinking he will do that as the record company. (Indy label) Copies of the paperwork should be sent to the other (non-registering) writers so they have records of those registrations. The song gets registered with the PRO one time by one of the writers, and the same thing applies on the copyright. No duplicate registrations. The person who registers it puts your name on the copyright as a writer and puts your name on the PRO registration as a writer and designates the percentages you will get paid on that PRO form. Keep each song's records in a unique file folder or manila folder. Keep all papers relating to the project in one place. 

Now... the cool thing is... if this is a self published project.... Indy label.... and he feels generous or you are involved with the publishing end of the biz.......in other words, where there is really no outside/third party "publishing company" involved..... the percentage that would normally go to the publisher from the PRO gets to be distributed to the writers.... self published.....so essentially, and under ideal conditions, each writer ends up with 50% of gross royalties...... not 25% like in a normal publishing deal. 


The mechanical royalties that would be paid to you based on sales would be a matter of the agreement you have (in writing) with the record company (your relative) 


The PRO split for most co-writers should be 50/50 or even shares for 3 or more writers.  Remember that a publishing company will get 50% (usually) of the gross performance royalties.  The other 50% is paid to the writers and if there are 2 writers ... you get half of the writers share or 25% of gross. Remember that you will generally get the GROSS amount paid to you and YOU are 100% responsible to pay the proper and timely taxes due to the governmental agencies on your share of the money. 


Other percentages are possible. Some publishers and music libraries demand 60% or more, leaving the balance to the writers. And some writers insist on percentages that reflect actual contribution to the song. I have always believed that when anyone  contributes to a song as a writer, they should get equal shares with the other writers. 

2012/08/23 12:23:01
julibee
Jonbouy



Here's the question.... He asked if I'm affiliated with BMI or ASCAP or SESAC. I'm not. Yet. So, I start looking into it, and very quickly run into conflicting bits of advice. I don't pretend that this will actually lead to anything, but it MIGHT and so....


Julibee, Julibee, Julibee!!!

If you look into anything whatsoever on the internet you'll get conflicting opinions.  Would you go to the internet for solutions for a toothache?  No you visit a good dentist.

You are whether you realise it or not a MAJOR talent by any standards, that's not flattery, that is plain simple fact.   You may not pretend that this will actually lead to anything but sooner or later something IS very likely to!

You need some professional representation in your area to cater for both your writing and performing talents, start mailing out to some of the artists you really admire in the field you want to operate in, ask them who represents them and how they go about.  I've found the more successful the artist the more approachable they are, they will mostly welcome your interest.

Network, build up a picture of who's pulling the strings in whatever area that interests you and get on somebody's books.

Stop browsing and start breaking some doors down is my suggestion.  Start rubbing shoulders with those who are already doing it!

http://siamusic.net/

http://twitter.com/shutupolivia

Here's a couple to start with!
You guys ARE my Dentists!!! But, what you're saying is that I need a Specialist.... Ok.  I'll do that.  JB, thank you forever. I respect your abilities so highly... 

2012/08/23 12:24:37
julibee
Herb, THANKS.
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