2012/08/14 21:40:02
Guitarhacker
Back in the day..... yup... a song was done live, full band in the studio and a few takes to get it right one time..... 

I love watching the documentaries on the bands I grew up with and how they did such amazing things in the little time that they had to get in the studio and record the LP.


IIRC I saw one on Sabbath where Ozzie was making up the words as he went...in the studio with very little time to fix things.  Listening to some of the words... this now makes perfect sense. 
2012/08/15 13:57:20
bitflipper
Most productions back then were quick. The Animals' "House of the Rising Sun" was recorded in 15 minutes. The second take is the one we all know so well. And they recorded it at 8:00 in the morning after coming down to London on the train overnight with all their gear.

The difference is that back then they were real bands, who played real gigs in front of real people, refining performances and arrangements over time. Rehearsal! It's today's lost art and secret weapon.
2012/08/15 15:46:42
craigb
They had real people back then?  Wow...
2012/08/15 16:24:42
ProjectM
bitflipper


Most productions back then were quick. The Animals' "House of the Rising Sun" was recorded in 15 minutes. The second take is the one we all know so well. And they recorded it at 8:00 in the morning after coming down to London on the train overnight with all their gear.

The difference is that back then they were real bands, who played real gigs in front of real people, refining performances and arrangements over time. Rehearsal! It's today's lost art and secret weapon.

I'm sorry to say: I agree. I did a major project starting a year ago now and it lasted for 8 months. Now, I'm going to make a bold statement and say: It would have been finished in no more than five months if the other bastards had spent more time rehearsing - especially the drummer!!!


The lack of rehearsiing kills any production both live and in the studio. I've worked with many good musicians but most have a bad habbit of not taking the rehearsal seriously enough. 


Records were better in the old days. My favourite production of all time is actually Piano Man by Billy Joel - that sonds perfect! Start Something by Lost Prophets and Slipknot's Iowa is my favourite modern productions. They took a whole lot longer to record though. 
2012/08/15 19:49:48
Rain
I found myself wondering if people would welcome something like House of the Rising Sun nowadays - music that's performed and recorded but not polished. 

Then I remembered Seven Nation Army. I guess I have my answer... :)

Personally, I'm always torn between raw stuff and elaborate and complex productions. I'm a sucker for Lenny Kravitz' Circus just as much as I'm a die-hard fan of NIN's The Fragile.

But in the end, the performance, the energy and the music always win. 

I guess that's why I dig so many records from the 70s - because the production values were getting better and better but the music was still happening - not just put together.

2012/08/16 05:28:56
Kalle Rantaaho
Those were the days!
I remember how impressed I was baaack then when I realised the amount of live gigging the Beatles and the kinds did. 3-6 hour gigs week after week. No wonder they could then later perform on stadions without hearing the monitors/eachother. Those bands at their best were like one living creature.

Where can a starting band nowadays find regular gigs to create a routine like that? Rehearsing in the cellar isn't quite the same, though if it has to do then it has to do.

Well, like it is in Finland, many (most??) of the rock/entertainment musicians, the ones that are not stars or in the band of a star, play in 2-4 bands, one performing classic heavy, one rock'n'roll, one dance hall music, jazz...whatever. (I doubt if there are more than 20 rockbands in the whole country that actually make a decent living doing gigs and records, curse of a small country). That way you do get routine and gig hours, but it also means that you need to be a well educated musician to be able to do that: Learning new stuff of different genres reading sheet music and listening to MP3s in a touring van and then jumping on the stage with a different band. That kind of bands mostly  play with skills and memory, not with a gut feeling of a die cast team that creates unique moments.
2012/08/16 11:07:06
bitflipper
I've always felt that an hour in front of an audience was equivalent to 10 hours' practice in the basement in terms of tightening up the act.
2012/08/16 11:59:25
Rain
One thing that struck me was when I read a Jimi Hendrix biography, w/ a timeline in it. 

Just seeing how busy he was and all that was happening in his life - touring, jamming, traveling, working on his own studio - and in the midst of all that, the guys wrote and recorded hours and hours of material - from basic demos to pretty much completed songs. 
I was reading that listening to bootlegs and unreleased material and I couldn't help thinking - how could he accomplish so much, when did he sleep?


And he had time left for the ladies and partying...
2012/08/17 08:27:25
craigb
Rain


One thing that struck me was when I read a Jimi Hendrix biography, w/ a timeline in it. 

Just seeing how busy he was and all that was happening in his life - touring, jamming, traveling, working on his own studio - and in the midst of all that, the guys wrote and recorded hours and hours of material - from basic demos to pretty much completed songs. 
I was reading that listening to bootlegs and unreleased material and I couldn't help thinking - how could he accomplish so much, when did he sleep?


And he had time left for the ladies and partying...


Two words: "No internet"
2012/08/17 11:24:06
Rain
LOL Yeah, that's a time vampire for sure.

Though I did read that book in the mid 90's, at a time where you wouldn't have caught me anywhere near one of those darn computers.
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