• SONAR
  • Is there an "Enable All" option for up-sampling plugins?
2016/05/17 11:01:12
gprokap
Or does this need to be done individually for each instance?
2016/05/17 11:08:57
scook
Enabling upsample for plug-in enables it for every instance of the plug-in for all projects. It would not be a good idea to enable upsample on every installed plug-in.
2016/05/17 11:20:06
gprokap
scook
Enabling upsample for plug-in enables it for every instance of the plug-in for all projects. It would not be a good idea to enable upsample on every installed plug-in.


Ahh, so I only need to enable it once and it's enabled on ALL other instances of the plugin.


Why would it NOT be a good idea with modern CPUs being as powerful as they are?
2016/05/17 11:25:41
scook
gprokap
Ahh, so I only need to enable it once and it's enabled on ALL other instances of the plugin.

Yes
 
gprokap
Why would it NOT be a good idea with modern CPUs being as powerful as they are?

It is unnecessary in two cases:
  1. for plug-ins which have build-in upsampling, although it might be handy if you only want to upsample on render
  2. for plug-ins which do not benefit from upsampling.
 
It is undesirable when plug-ins do not tolerate upsampling. Upsampling can result in distorted sound or crash in some cases.
2016/05/17 11:39:46
Sanderxpander
It would be nice if there were a list of plug-ins where it makes sense to use it. Even better if Sonar recognized these and offered a pop up recommendation (or a "scan for upsample-worthy plug-ins" action).
2016/05/17 12:55:31
Anderton
There was a thread a while ago where people reported which plug-ins benefited from upsampling. I noticed the SI series benefit from it, as does TH2 (the FX, not so much the amps themselves). But a lot depends on the sound you're using. 
 
Fortunately, you can do upsampling on playback to determine if you can hear a difference or not, and act accordingly.
2016/05/17 12:59:44
Sanderxpander
Thanks. It would still be cool to have a list, perhaps this can be compiled over time.
SI series, you mean the Cakewalk Studio Instruments? Given the theory, I wonder why they would benefit? They don't process any external audio. Does upsampling them mean that the (limited) fx engines (reverb/chorus in SI-strings) get processed at 96KHz, and there's the benefit?
2016/05/17 17:58:43
Anderton
Sanderxpander
Thanks. It would still be cool to have a list, perhaps this can be compiled over time.
SI series, you mean the Cakewalk Studio Instruments? Given the theory, I wonder why they would benefit? They don't process any external audio. 


But they create audio, and particularly the high strings from the SI Strings benefit from oversampling. 
 
I have to admit that as much as I love and use Kontakt, there was one song where I used SI Strings as a placeholder while I was writing, then switched over to some Kontakt strings for the mix...but the SI Strings worked with the song better. I never particularly liked the sound quality of SI Strings, but upsampling can make a big improvement with some of the sounds. 
2016/05/18 00:26:37
Sanderxpander
I'll check it out, what I meant was simple sample playback couldn't benefit from upsampling. So there must be something more going on inside the engine. 
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