Beepster

rlared
I agree it's very strange.  For the purpose of keeping things clear, let's call the clips "Pre" and "Post".  Pre is the one that shouldn't be changing but it is. 
 
In the above example, you're splitting the clip at measure 20 bar 3.  Then I believe you're then slip stretching "Pre" so that it ends at bar 19 and then changing the tempo at bar 20.  The only thing I can think of is that perhaps slip stretching is just a "modifier" in Sonar.  So essentially it doesn't edit the clip but just tells Sonar to play it faster or slower.  In this case, Sonar still may think the clip extends into bar 20. 
 
Did you try bouncing it to a new clip after stretching?  That may help.

Once I move on to the next song (or maybe the second version of this current song which I will be aligning to the version I'm working on so I can raid for comps) I think I'll try bouncing the stretched clips in sections instead of trying to wait until the end of the song and bouncing all at once.
 
Yes, I do believe that until bounced Sonar is just reading back the stretched files differently so it could be I've overloaded the project with data leading to project corruption.
 
I've also occasionally been getting this MIND TWISTING noise when starting playback like a million sparkle demons invading my ears all at once. It's not loud or anything but it's such a strange and jarring noise that it makes me almost launch my headphones across the room.
 
That to me is indicating some kind of Disk reading problem. I use HDD's (not SSD's) and that has always seem to be the most problematic part of my system so a problem reading back and translating the data could be what's corrupting the project.
 
Just guessing and I'm not smart enough to fully diagnose it.
 
Cheers and thanks.

It probably is Sparkle Demons. They fly into your ear and steal your sanity bit by bit.

Beep I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if this has been suggested, but has anyone suggested or have you tried locking the clips you don't want moved prior to inserting your tempo changes?
 
I this maybe combined with switching to absolute time will fix things.

If it does it repeatedly in future projects, submit a bug report though

gswitz
Sure.buses can also be set. You can select all clips at once and update them collectively. Tracks must be altered one at a time.

Interesting. Not sure why a bus would need that but you've given me something to study. Thanks man. I'll try to hunt down your Feat Req and upvote it because yeah... not the type of thing I want to do a million times across tracks.
 

Bristol_Jonesey
Beep I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if this has been suggested, but has anyone suggested or have you tried locking the clips you don't want moved prior to inserting your tempo changes?
 
I this maybe combined with switching to absolute time will fix things.

Hiya, Jonesey. I was actually starting to contemplate going down that path right before you mentioned it. I used to have to do that ALL the time back in the X1/X2 days to keep that weird selection bug from screwing up my clips but it got resolved in X3. However maybe this is a remnant of that issue manifesting itself.
 
Having to go back to constantly locking clips would be a pain BUT I guess what I could do is work normally until I need to make a tempo change, bounce all the previous material, lock that clip and THEN make the tempo change.
 
Kind of like swatting a fly with a Buick but if it avoids issues and having to backtrack I'm totally up for it.
 
Thanks.
 
 

Buses need absolute for envelope automation on the buses.

rlared
It probably is Sparkle Demons. They fly into your ear and steal your sanity bit by bit.

It's kind of like the idea that if one looks into the face of god they'll lose their mind... except on a smaller scale. It almost seems like a pile of digital data is getting blasted at me all at once and my freakshow of a brain tries to process it.
 
It's not ear hurt. It's brain hurt. Messed up shiz. lol

gswitz
Buses need absolute for envelope automation on the buses.

Ah... yeah that makes sense. Thanks. That was making my noodle itchy... and yes I may need to do some bus automation eventually.
 
However I may just import the files into a blank project. Not sure if I can import tempo maps though. Maybe via template. Bapu explained it to me a while back but I dun fergot.