• SONAR
  • The psychology of the wallet - and a whole lot about VCA's... (p.13)
2016/04/29 15:50:37
John
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John
I pay what CW requires me to pay. I don't cheat them nor do I cheat myself.  Further not everything I said applies to you or anyone really. It was me venting to some degree. I do know of people that do take advantage. Lets just leave it at that. 

 
John, there are always people who will take advantage. Unfortunately, many of them are the movers and shakers of the economy (not intended for Cakewalk).
I wish that the people trying to get over on someone for $100 was our only problem.


We are in agreement. 
2016/04/29 16:22:58
Bristol_Jonesey
I'm sure there are some people who choose to pay for the upgrade whether they have a specific need or not because they believe the value received over the next year will justify the cost.

 
Couldn't agree more Craig.
2016/04/29 16:28:11
Anderton
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"Gibson's Caa1 Corporate Family Rating considers its weak liquidity profile, soft credit metrics and the highly discretionary nature of its musical instrument and consumer electronics product lines. Demand for these products was dampened by the deterioration in discretionary consumer spending during the last few years and was exasperated by the poor consumer reception of its 2015 guitar models."
 
But this cuts both ways. The reception to the 2016 guitars has been the complete opposite of last year; both Gibson USA and the Memphis division, the main engines for growth, are doing extraordinarily well and exceeding both Gibson's and retailers' expectations. If you don't believe me, go to any Gibson dealer and ask what's happening with the 2016 guitars. 
 
When you have a flop, the "highly discretionary nature" of musical instruments works against you. When you have a hit, it works in your favor. 
2016/04/29 16:39:05
Anderton
As to previous comments, I don't get the sense anyone is trying to "screw" Cakewalk, they just want to spend the minimal amount necessary to get what they want. There's nothing wrong with that. The people who are not just trying, but actually are screwing Cakewalk, are the ones who use the software without paying.
 
If someone said "Well since Cakewalk won't give me what I want at the price I want to pay, I'm just going to go to a torrent and get the stuff for free," that would be a very different matter altogether.
 
People have very different needs and financial situations. For someone with a Schedule C who makes money from SONAR, the cost is deductible and therefore more affordable. For someone with a daughter in the hospital...the cost of any version of SONAR is probably prohibitive.
2016/04/29 17:07:07
John
Anderton
As to previous comments, I don't get the sense anyone is trying to "screw" Cakewalk, they just want to spend the minimal amount necessary to get what they want. There's nothing wrong with that. The people who are not just trying, but actually are screwing Cakewalk, are the ones who use the software without paying.
 
If someone said "Well since Cakewalk won't give me what I want at the price I want to pay, I'm just going to go to a torrent and get the stuff for free," that would be a very different matter altogether.
 
People have very different needs and financial situations. For someone with a Schedule C who makes money from SONAR, the cost is deductible and therefore more affordable. For someone with a daughter in the hospital...the cost of any version of SONAR is probably prohibitive.


True for the most part. However I do know of users that don't pay for Sonar. Not many for sure but I've been here a long time and I get to know some things. Can we just leave it at that? 
2016/04/29 17:41:51
mettelus
For me, the crux of this situation has been mentioned briefly, but doesn't often get considered. Most people buy a product for "what it is" at the time of purchase, not for "what it might become." Only service industries can get away with such a strategy, but this would never fly in products - no one will buy a guitar without pickups or a car without tires because they "might come" in the next year. I happen to consider SONAR a product, and since "subscription" gets beaten down readily, others would confirm this.
 
The mindset of "product in hand" carries significant weight, and this was, in fact, the previous model. Folks knew what X3 had prior to purchase, then decided if they wanted it or not. For folks in a renewal situation they already have 100% at the time of purchase and are paying for the "future," which may or may not contain anything users have requested. A large portion of what users are requesting languishes while things users never requested suddenly pop out of the woodwork, yet there is a lot of lip-service to the community having input.
 
One thing that occurred to me recently (and what ultimately bothers me) is that SONAR is a host application first and foremost, and as such should be impeccable as a host (i.e., the things no VST can ever do for it). Functionality, usability, exception handling (big one), optimization, et al. should be the #1 priority above all else IMO. Everyone loves a good host.
2016/04/29 17:57:50
Anderton
mettelus
Everyone loves a good host.



Especially if there's an open bar 
2016/04/29 22:57:23
tenfoot
mettelus
 
One thing that occurred to me recently (and what ultimately bothers me) is that SONAR is a host application first and foremost, and as such should be impeccable as a host (i.e., the things no VST can ever do for it).



Given this fact, I often think that the cost of Sonar is disproportionally small when compared to the cost of the plugins that are used inside it. Many plugin suites cost much more than the entire purchase price of Sonar. Seems a bit mad!
 
Considering all that it is capable of, outside of personal financial hardship (which whilst unfortunate obviously has nothing to do with Cakewalk), I can't for the life of me understand how people can complain about the cost of Sonar.
2016/04/30 01:05:49
Anderton
tenfoot
I can't for the life of me understand how people can complain about the cost of Sonar.



They never had to buy reels of tape 
2016/04/30 01:22:52
Snehankur
Anderton
As to previous comments, I don't get the sense anyone is trying to "screw" Cakewalk, they just want to spend the minimal amount necessary to get what they want. There's nothing wrong with that. The people who are not just trying, but actually are screwing Cakewalk, are the ones who use the software without paying.
 
If someone said "Well since Cakewalk won't give me what I want at the price I want to pay, I'm just going to go to a torrent and get the stuff for free," that would be a very different matter altogether.
 
People have very different needs and financial situations. For someone with a Schedule C who makes money from SONAR, the cost is deductible and therefore more affordable. For someone with a daughter in the hospital...the cost of any version of SONAR is probably prohibitive.


Those who goes for torrent download they go by their habit - the price they intend to offer remains always $0.
Cakewalk also can have a thought regarding other countries where currency conversion rate is high, need to make some analysis.
Regards
Snehankur
 
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