notscruffy2
I don't think so. As in not in agreement. As in I do think the people at Cakewalk are smart. As in I wish they would move this thread to the designated area. As in I suspect your disappointment is familiar to you. As in paid up buckled up and moving on, how about doing the same.

 It's thread like this that a few years ago where the Cakewalk forums have gotten a bad reputation.  The OP did not make a trollish comment yet you respond in one. Are you going to give him a beat down "Sonar style"?   
 I've seen people who still participate in forums of a DAW they don't use and offer great information. (see Reasontalk)   
 Sonar is not my main DAW but I still like to support developers who treats the end user as someone honest.

I think your troll meter is out of wack. but hey if its in the eye you look with...
 

Anderton
However, maybe I just don't "get" it

I'm in the same boat. I do not get the love-fest for VCA faders in a DAW. Maybe it is just the name VCA and the reference to a console it calls up, but I can't work out what is so special. Near as I know from having used them in the real world once or twice is that what they do is move things with relative offsets so they maintain the dB spread between them.
 
Ok, great... I can think of like 4 easy ways to do that in a DAW with no problems. A group in Sonar does it easy enough, for that matter assigning a bunch of things to a bus would do it just fine, just without the fanciness of the other faders moving.
 
I feel like I'm missing something based on how worked up over them some people get but I can't figure out what even after thinking on it. It was a big deal in the analogue domain because you literally had to have a console designed differently: Where faders controlled the voltage level going in to an amp, rather than directly attenuating the signal itself. However that's all irrelevant in the digital domain. There are no faders, no amps, all this stuff is just widgets to help us tell the software how to do the math it is doing.

Anderton
 
There have been discussions of VCA grouping in these forums and it seems relevant only in specific situations with post-fader effects and busing. However, maybe I just don't "get" it (which is entirely possible) but I don't see anything that can't be done in SONAR with grouping, buses, and/or aux tracks/patch points. 
 

Absolutely this! I understand what a big advantage VCA's were on analogue consoles, and as a fan of the Dave Rat Techniuque for live mixing could not survive without the DCA's on my digital desks, but I am yet to see a clear explanation of or discover any advantages over the advanced grouping and routing features that already exist in Sonar. I would be happy to be educated if someone has one though.

read the OP, it's not about VCAs particularly, that was dropped in half-way through, it's about why the OP is holding off subbing again

pwalpwal
read the OP, it's not about VCAs particularly, that was dropped in half-way through, it's about why the OP is holding off subbing again

But the OP introduced discussion of VCA's and described them as mandatory to attract pro users. Certainly pertains to the direction the thread has taken.

VCA faders "etc" - son it 's kind of tangental to the htrust of the op
and as anderton points out, that's a pro tools thing (is it?) in which case it's surely a good way to get pro toolers on board? there's a similar discussion in the feature request forum...

notscruffy2
I think your troll meter is out of wack. but hey if its in the eye you look with...
 

Yes it needs a reset. Maybe you should stop posting. That will fix it.
 
 Your comments: As in I suspect your disappointment is familiar to you. As in paid up buckled up and moving on, how about doing the same...

pwalpwal
VCA faders "etc" - son it 's kind of tangental to the htrust of the op
and as anderton points out, that's a pro tools thing (is it?) in which case it's surely a good way to get pro toolers on board? there's a similar discussion in the feature request forum...

But also as I said, VCAs were to address limitations in Pro Tools that SONAR inherently doesn't have.

I was intrigued by the membership model when it was announced -- how it would be implemented, how it could increase efficiency and productivity with the development team, etc.  I have to say, I like the way Cakewalk does it, so much so, that when the time to renew my yearly membership came up recently and there wasn't anything really exciting to me on the upcoming page, I renewed anyway, because I thought the past year was great in terms of what they delivered and I expect it to continue.  I also enjoy getting something new every month or two.  I normally don't upgrade just to "keep up" -- I've skipped several versions to save money.  (Been using Sonar since 2002; occasionally glance at the forums since I don't get the e-mails anymore.)  Anyway, just adding my 2 cents...