bapu

Beagle


for most people, it's not an issue.  but I was helping a poor soul in the MC forum who had MC4 (based on sonar 6) and was upgrading his computer and all of his 100+ projects had those 32bit DX FX in them...

I imagine the "poor souls" here (i.e. Mooch, Daryl, Bapu) could use some help too?

I'm not qualified for that kind of help...

Beagle

bapu

Beagle


for most people, it's not an issue.  but I was helping a poor soul in the MC forum who had MC4 (based on sonar 6) and was upgrading his computer and all of his 100+ projects had those 32bit DX FX in them...

I imagine the "poor souls" here (i.e. Mooch, Daryl, Bapu) could use some help too?

I'm not qualified for that kind of help...

A man pooch must know his limitations to be truly free.

I Am always free...

also read somwhere that there is an "XP mode" in W7, but will that mean everything will work ?

XP mode in Windows7 Professional is a fully licensed version of XP (32 bit only) that runs in emulation mode under Windows7, basically by translating system calls etc. from Windows XP programs into actions in Win 7. The idea is to allow programs, drivers etc. that are designed to work under XP to run in a virtual machine that is in turn running under Windows 7 Pro, and it will allow a lot of things that will not run under Windows 7 to do so. There is some considerable overhead from that process, and it is probably not advisable to depend on that virtual machine in real-time audio processing. 


A dual boot is a fully independent installation of XP and Windows 7 on the same machine and possibly on the same drive but on separate partitions. When one is running, the other is not and there is no interference between the two systems except for a problem with damage to the restore points saved by the two systems if they are not properly located/managed. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185 
You would need a license for both OS's, and could not use an upgrade version of Windows 7 as part of the dual boot configuration without violating the license. In addition without some care, the installation of Win 7 upgrade version will destroy an existing XP installation and void its activation.


A simpler but slightly more expensive solution for a desktop (and maybe a few laptops with removable drives) is to use a drive dock to swap two physical drives with a separate OS installed on each.

Beagle


for most people, it's not an issue.  but I was helping a poor soul in the MC forum who had MC4 (based on sonar 6) and was upgrading his computer and all of his 100+ projects had those 32bit DX FX in them...

Ahh man that sucks !

It's one thing I've always hated about new versions of anything. I've had several Yamaha keyboards over the years and every time I upgraded, for all the good stuff, they always took away something I used a lot. One of them was a little joystick thing they called "vector" which allowed you to combine up to four sounds across the whole keyboard at once and vary how much you heard of each one you heard on the fly just my moving the stick. It was only a low end keyboard too, but I never saw it again on any of the other "improved" high end ones.

paulo


Anybody using dual boot systems here ? I was planning on keeping my trusty old XP 32 bit system and buying a new W7 64bit to run alongside it as I have VST's that I use all the time that are 32bit only that I have been told "may or may not work" in 64bit and some other stuff that I use all the time that I presume needs XP as they will not even install/work on my Vista 32 laptop . I've made the assumption here that there some kind of readily available /reasonably priced gadget to enable me to switch the monitors between systems without unplugging them each time.

However, as it now seems like my DAW needs reasonably major surgery, I have to decide whether to stick to plan A (ie just rebuild it as XP32 and proceed with plan A) or go a stage further and build a W7 64 system with a dual boot so I can still have XP32 within that.

Some may say now is the time to embrace 64bit and ditch the old stuff that can't be made to work, but that isn't gonna happen, so does anyone have any experience of dual boot systems ? What are the pitfalls etc... ? How does it actually work when you switch on ? (yes I am that much of an ignoramus !) Does it ask which OS you want or does it default to one and then you have to re-boot onto the other ? A little research has told me that it is better to have seperate HD's for each OS, which would be fine, but again, how does that work when you power up?

I'm also assuming here that it is possibe to open a cwp created in 64bt system on the 32 bit, do my 32 bit stuff, bounce it to audio, save and then still be good to go in 64bit. (the files are all stored on an extrnal HD which could be plugged in to either system as req'd). I'm also assuming that 64bit system will be able to open existing 32 bit projects ? All this is with 8.53PE BTW, but maybe X2 as an when.

Part of me is already saying...don't go there, fix the other one up then buy the new 64bit system as you planned and just have both, but I'm a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it type" so I probably would say that. Trouble is that it is broke, so I have to decide how to fix it......

Wish my old roomie could answer this for you ... he has fun putting W7 next to the latest MAC and vice versa! ... and you can even play World of Warcraft (for example) on either one, and one time he dual boxed for fun with it!
 
Unffortunately for us, Cisco now has him ... finally!

slartabartfast

also read somwhere that there is an "XP mode" in W7, but will that mean everything will work ?

XP mode in Windows7 Professional is a fully licensed version of XP (32 bit only) that runs in emulation mode under Windows7, basically by translating system calls etc. from Windows XP programs into actions in Win 7. The idea is to allow programs, drivers etc. that are designed to work under XP to run in a virtual machine that is in turn running under Windows 7 Pro, and it will allow a lot of things that will not run under Windows 7 to do so. There is some considerable overhead from that process, and it is probably not advisable to depend on that virtual machine in real-time audio processing. 


A dual boot is a fully independent installation of XP and Windows 7 on the same machine and possibly on the same drive but on separate partitions. When one is running, the other is not and there is no interference between the two systems except for a problem with damage to the restore points saved by the two systems if they are not properly located/managed. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/926185 
You would need a license for both OS's, and could not use an upgrade version of Windows 7 as part of the dual boot configuration without violating the license. In addition without some care, the installation of Win 7 upgrade version will destroy an existing XP installation and void its activation.


A simpler but slightly more expensive solution for a desktop (and maybe a few laptops with removable drives) is to use a drive dock to swap two physical drives with a separate OS installed on each.

Thanks slartabartfast (always been intrigued by that name !)

Useful info - I'm not entirely clear from reading the linked page if that applies only if both OS are on the same HD or whether it is still the case if they are on separate HD's. ? If I go dual boot, I'm already leaning towards separate HD's anyway. I assumed that with both OS on separate HDs that I would effectively be using a different PC in each OS and one would not affect the other? Is that oversimplifying it ?