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2016/05/04 22:37:58
razor
Hey Folks--
 
Kind of a strange thing happened when I booted up my DAW today. The input monitoring started adding a fairly significant latency maybe 200 ms or more. I did some tests and the actual input is fine--no latency. It's only when I turn on the input monitoring.
 
I'm using a simple mic input-and no fx. When I test my sound card independently, no lag. When I record the mic input--no lag. It's only the input monitor that is lagging--and it just started. It was fine yesterday.
 
Curious.
 
Any ideas?
 
Thanks,
 
 
Stephen
2016/05/05 03:35:45
Sanderxpander
Do you still get the lag if you hit E to bypass all plugins? 
2016/05/05 10:56:12
razor
Sanderxpander
Do you still get the lag if you hit E to bypass all plugins? 


Let me test that and I'll post back what happens.

Thanks,

Stephen
2016/05/05 15:48:37
Jim Roseberry
Latency has but two sources:
  • Your audio interface
  • Latent plugins
 
The audio interface's latency is fixed (determined by the ASIO buffer size and the size of the driver's safety-buffer - which is often hidden from the user).
 
Virtually all modern DAW applications feature automatic plug-in delay compensation (automatic PDC).
If a latent plugin is inserted *anywhere* in the project, all other audio is delayed by that amount to maintain sample-accurate sync.  "Mastering" or "convolution" type plugins are commonly latent (add latency).
Avoid using latent plugins while tracking... or temporarily disable PDC while tracking (making sure to re-enable prior to mixing).
 
There are no other sources of latency.
Your issue is one (or both) of these. 
2016/05/05 16:29:06
razor
Jim Roseberry
Latency has but two sources:
  • Your audio interface
  • Latent plugins
 
The audio interface's latency is fixed (determined by the ASIO buffer size and the size of the driver's safety-buffer - which is often hidden from the user).
 
Virtually all modern DAW applications feature automatic plug-in delay compensation (automatic PDC).
If a latent plugin is inserted *anywhere* in the project, all other audio is delayed by that amount to maintain sample-accurate sync.  "Mastering" or "convolution" type plugins are commonly latent (add latency).
Avoid using latent plugins while tracking... or temporarily disable PDC while tracking (making sure to re-enable prior to mixing).
 
There are no other sources of latency.
Your issue is one (or both) of these. 


Thanks for this. I did eliminate the possibility of the latency coming from my sound card during my troubleshooting. I did, however, only check the fx assigned to the track and the bus it feeds to, so I'm going to bypass all fx (E) and see if another fx instance somewhere else might be the culprit.

I'll post my findings, but I hope the offset is the reason.
2016/05/05 23:25:12
razor
Hey Guys--
 
Sure enough, when I bypass all fx the latency is gone. So, now I just have to figure out which fx is causing the latency.
 
Thank you so much. I sure love the Cakewalk forum!
 
Cheers!
2016/05/07 10:27:01
razor
It was caused by leaving kontakt 5 player open with Session Drums loaded. Closed the UI, and latency gone. I'd forgotten the effect of such a resource hog.

Thanks again all.

Stephen
2016/05/07 11:21:29
Sanderxpander
Normally a softsynth shouldn't cause latency by itself. Perhaps it has some internal fx though. Likely culprits tend to be:
- Impulse based reverbs (can include ampsims) 
- Limiters/compressors with lookahead (brickwall limiters for sure) 
- Linear phase EQ (usually not a lot) 
- Transient designers (which are really a variation on compressors)
2016/05/07 11:29:37
razor
Sanderxpander
Normally a softsynth shouldn't cause latency by itself. Perhaps it has some internal fx though. Likely culprits tend to be:
- Impulse based reverbs (can include ampsims) 
- Limiters/compressors with lookahead (brickwall limiters for sure) 
- Linear phase EQ (usually not a lot) 
- Transient designers (which are really a variation on compressors)


You wouldn't think, but the latency continued after bypassing all fx. I thought at first that fixed it, but then realized the latency was still there after bypassing all fx. At that point I closed kontakt and the latency went away right then and hasn't come back.
2016/05/07 11:34:29
Sanderxpander
Very weird. Thanks for the heads up though! 
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