2016/11/07 17:45:19
schnibbelkram
Thx guys for the discussion, this forum is really fun and probably the best one i`ve ever visited , with a bunch of very nice people. I`m  working on an Audio Drama, wich needs quite a few FX. Individual de-noise, de-ess, EQ and compression for each charakter (up to 8 people) , plus different sound fx ....
As i mentioned earlyer, there is an old VST that takes care of this problem for me :
https://www.kvraudio.com/.oduct/multifxvst-by-ctaf
2016/11/08 03:39:19
azslow3
I just want to mention (no offense!) that with "workarounds" you are moving into the "gray" area. Limitations in MC/LE are not technical nor historical. They are ON PURPOSE. These are cheap restrictive versions made from full Sonar by applying these restrictions to make it cheap... That is not the same as the difference between Sonar Artist and Platinum, where there are less plug-ins but it is perfectly ok to use any other. It is more like tricking the system time to make 30 days demos work forever...
2016/11/08 13:48:31
jimfogle
azslow3
... (snip) Limitations in MC/LE are not technical nor historical. They are ON PURPOSE. These are cheap restrictive versions made from full Sonar by applying these restrictions to make it cheap... That is not the same as the difference between Sonar Artist and Platinum, where there are less plug-ins but it is perfectly ok to use any other. (snip) ...

Azslow3,
Music Creator is not a demo product.  Cakewalk has repeatedly stated that Music Creator is a consumer, not professional, product.  That's why Music Creator is supported by email and the forum instead of the email, forum and more expensive phone support available to Sonar. Because there is a lower level of support, the product price can be lower.  I also disagree with your statement about why Music Creator has a limited feature set. The limitations meet the feature set of comparable consumer DAWs such as Magix Studio and Acid Express.
2016/11/08 16:02:18
azslow3
jimfogle
azslow3
... (snip) Limitations in MC/LE are not technical nor historical. They are ON PURPOSE. These are cheap restrictive versions made from full Sonar by applying these restrictions to make it cheap... That is not the same as the difference between Sonar Artist and Platinum, where there are less plug-ins but it is perfectly ok to use any other. (snip) ...

Azslow3,
Music Creator is not a demo product.

I have not written that MC is demo. I have written that using more that 24 FXes simultaneously in MC (by using "help plug-ins", hacking MC binary code, etc..) is like "making" some OTHER program 30-days demo to work permanently. And that is not the same as using the same plug-ins and/or making mods for Sonar.
 

  Cakewalk has repeatedly stated that Music Creator is a consumer, not professional, product.  That's why Music Creator is supported by email and the forum instead of the email, forum and more expensive phone support available to Sonar. Because there is a lower level of support, the product price can be lower.  I also disagree with your statement about why Music Creator has a limited feature set. The limitations meet the feature set of comparable consumer DAWs such as Magix Studio and Acid Express.

"(Where is?) Phone support for Sonar" threads you can find everywhere on this forum... Sonar Artist is more expensive because it has no limitations and several extra tools. "Hi end" versions include more functionality and plug-ins.
 
All companies produce "light" versions, artificially limiting basic functionality. In that respect MC matches other LE versions. The schema is: (a) "basic" version (Sonar Artist) (b) "limited" compare to the basic version (MC) (c) "advanced" compare to the basic version, with (almost) all possible functionality (Sonar Pro) (d) "advanced" version with extra plug-ins included (Sonar Plat).
 
If you add (buy) all extra plug-ins, you can make Platinum from Professional (except 2 Platinum "special" tools which are impossible to buy). And that is ok. But if you are using "workarounds" to make Artist from MC, that is a gray area. That was the only my point. I repeat, I am not accusing anyone, that was not my intention.
2016/11/08 16:27:43
azslow3
I want to add that I have bought Producer as a supper product for BEGINNERS. "Real professionals" have a big set of top end instruments/effects, which are more expensive then Sonar. For me, Producer was the way to get a lot of GOOD tools extremely CHEAP. I went the root Sonar 8.5 LE (free with Roland keyboard) -> X1 Pro -> X2 -> X3 -> Plat, collecting plug-ins, sound packs and huge discounts for 3d party products. I do not think I could collect even half of that using "consumer" version, even with double in price investment into these staff directly. Ignoring the rest, just Melodyne Studio + AD (with packs) could be more expensive "alone" then my investments into CW top bundles + corresponding "upgrades".
 
And while "good old times" seems like over, I guess jumping the train today still can be a good choice.
 
 
2016/11/09 14:54:25
jimfogle
Azslow3,
 
I understood your post to imply Music Creator IS demo software and that is my mistake.  I apologize for the error.
 
I do not own a qualifying product (Sonar) so I can not state with certainty if telephone support is available or not.  I've read complaint threads about the decline of telephone support but my understanding is telephone support is still SUPPOSED to be available for Sonar products; however, telephone support has changed in that it is scheduled versus first come first served.
 
Yes it seems all three editions of Sonar delivers the same DAW software program.  The difference between the editions appears to be how much accessory content is provided.
 
Again, I apologize for misreading your post.
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