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2012/07/19 13:49:34
quantumeffect
I can’t speak for her art and I would never call her a “****” … but, with respect to her music and her overall contribution to music … it is my opinion that she had/has no talent.  Just because she atonally screams into a microphone doesn’t make her a creative genius and it also doesn’t mean she’s pushing the boundaries of music as we know it or that she breaking down the walls between eastern and western music and ideologies, It just means she is screaming into a microphone.
2012/07/19 14:11:18
The Maillard Reaction
Yoko circa 1972:  http://grooveshark.com/s/Kite+Song/3PwqDo?src=5

it sounds a lot like a 1981 MTV video-star band.

How'd that happen?
2012/07/19 14:22:49
Moshkiae
quantumeffect


... microphone doesn’t make her a creative genius and it also doesn’t mean she’s pushing the boundaries of music as we know it or that she breaking down the walls between eastern and western music and ideologies, It just means she is screaming into a microphone.
But, I'm not sure you are seeing the history of the arts, and its movements in the 30's, 40's, 50's and 60's ... that we are not (sometimes!) willing to accept and understand ... and her famous painting that attracted John, was a great, big white wall ... with just one little dot in it! And this was the same night that Soft Machine did their famous ABC in a jazz piece, and Pink Floyd did Interstellar Overdrive with Syd that you can see on the Youtube ... and Ginsburg read some poems ... and others ... and it was called "Tonite We All Love In London".
 
The whole thing, was "anti" everything! The ABC is perfect and a nice finger to the audience of rich farts ... and over stuffed musicos and the upper middle class cultured class of people!
 
Surrealism in the 30's tried to break it by saying ... let the dream speak, regardless of what it shows. The 40's got blowup by the war. The 50's brought home the emotional wash downs in theater and film. The 60's the emotional breakdown had turned to drugs, music and "escapism" ... and in so many ways, her "anti-western" music thing is no different than what the German scene was doing -- go check out Faust, and specially the Krautrock special ... very well done, btw, but it is massive when it comes to Faust ... Can ... and many others ... that we REFUSE to credit for not wanting to do something different, and still do not consider it music.
 
And, really, despite my saying it all the time ... this is needed a whole lot more today, in the age of this ______________ daw thing ... which is making people think that you can not be different.
 
This is not a criticism about you at all ... it's a plea to look at history ... and yes ... I might agree to a bit of that ... that she is probably a bit out of time ... but the tune thing means that ... you missed the rest -- or are assuming that the other one -- because it isn't right! -- has absolutely nothing to offer ... well, obviously not to you! But wouldn't it be an assumption that this might not be the same for others?
 
I've given this example before ... from the Peter Michael Hamel book ... there is a joke about the musician that was playing his music on an instrument with one string ... and he was excited and happy, and saying ... "I got it" .. "I got it" ... and two people next to him are listening and going ... "got what?" ... and your point is that you are thinking you are right and the other person is wrong, and this is NOT what "art history" has EVER been about, since it has always been about the change and the different things, and this Yoko thing right now is way better than auto-tune or the overabundance of DAW's out there, which are not helping people learn, appreciate and ... above all ... your favorite ... PLAY music! ... so you can criticize, but at least ... she's doing it, and her son is not complaining!
2012/07/19 14:36:46
djwayne
Hey Yoko and Sean suffered a great tragic loss when John was killed by some jackazz that thought he was doing the world a favor. I'm happy to see them both attempting to get back to some kind of real life vrs sitting around and crying about their loss. I mean seriously, how'd you like to have John Lennon as a father then have him killed ?? This was a very tragic loss for them. This song is a definite step forward for both of them.
2012/07/19 15:00:20
craigb
Moshkiae

Mostly because almost all of Yoko's work, from her art work prior to John Lennon, was all about dismantling the western conventions for art, and later, in this case, music. 
 
 

She certainly managed to help dismantle the Beatles too!  Now, when a band member gets a girlfriend who distrupts the structure of the band, she's called a "Yoko."
2012/07/19 15:02:14
jamesg1213
Moshkiae

I've given this example before ... from the Peter Michael Hamel book ... 

Yes, but only 50 or 60 times, don't worry about it.
2012/07/19 16:18:29
Beagle
Hi,
Wow.
2012/07/19 16:25:00
craigb
Beagle


Hi,
Wow.

Whoa!  Too much Beagle!  Can you just summarize that for us?  Maybe put it in more layman terms?
 
TIA.
2012/07/19 16:40:53
Garry Stubbs
That was all a bit unreal... 
2012/07/19 16:55:00
craigb
Define "real..."
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