Most of them are still larger than life and can sell out arenas, ya know? Clapton, Page, Plant, Stones, The Who, and heck, even Van Halen has done well with their recent tour in spite of what they have put fans through for the past 10 years.

jamesg1213

Moshkiae

John G got his chops in "Carmen"

You know, I just cannot remember that, no matter how many times you tell me.

 
I hear tell that there are a couple of excellent bootlegs floating around...
 
 
 
 

 
 
 

Glyn Barnes


Sandy Denny

There is no woman voice that I love dearly more than hers ... and Julibee's is the only one that comes close ... that I have ever heard. Sadly, I think she is embarassed when I say something like that ... but I can safely say ... that I have heard another voice that is too pretty for words, even if Julibee doesn't "get it", or have any idea what I am saying.
 
I miss things like "Reynardine" ... in this day of too much metal, you listen to all those folks listed here, and it is all the same format, the same sound, the same notes ... and few folks are doing something different. And Richard Thompson went on to do even more of this later with just him and Linda and it was just as tough and demanding, although much more emotional, when their relationship was breaking apart. This is shown in the film about him, and he is not embarassed about it, and says that ... it is how he learns his instrument and how he studies his feelings and that's that.
 
We're afraid to experiment ... and even here in the CHB ... too many times I mention it, some folks freak because their only experiment is a new note!

Pedro,


There are no new notes.
There's only one note.
All others are just variations on a theme.

Danny Danzi

yorolpal


I will take the diametrically opposite view and say that most, if not all of them, would be either irrelevant or marginalized.  There would be exceptions, of course, but most would be trapped inside their time windows as "clues to the new direction" and would quickly find themselves superseded by younger artists...who, in like manner, would become footnotes in musical history as time progressed.  Or not.

You know olpal, when I first started reading this thread, my comment was initially the same as yours. Then I got to thinking a bit about the hero's we still have left with us today.
 
Most of them are still larger than life and can sell out arenas, ya know? Clapton, Page, Plant, Stones, The Who, and heck, even Van Halen has done well with their recent tour in spite of what they have put fans through for the past 10 years.
 
So in my opinion, the hero's we all know and love would always have a place at the top of the ladder due to defining something original or even something that was just mind-blowingly great....don't ya think? Sir Paul still does well, you know Ringo still packs them in....even the ones that have had really severe drug or alcohol additictions seem to still be going strong even if their mind and bodies may not be what they used to be. Kiss, Ozzy, Wayne Newton, Pat Boone, Tom Jones...some of these people, others would argue as being worth a mention. I'd agree as well in certain situations...however, they stood the test of time and may not have been innovators...though some clearly were in other aspects.
 
So I definitely think the stars that have left us would still have something going on. The talent that surpasses them will always be in the picture. The key thing in MY mind is...it's easy to take something that someone has created and make it better...but could the person making it better create it? As long as someone is/was an innovator or some sort of dominating force for something, I believe they will always hold a little more clout.
 
Kinda like Eddie Van Halen getting the credit for tapping when each and every one of us can name players that did it before him. I remember Frank Marino doing it long before EVH. But, back in those days, it was a no no. Time passed and Ed put a different spin on it...next thing you know, it was accepted and he's the creator. :)
 
Anyway, I would love to hear where Hendrix, Robert Johnson, SRV, Buddy Holly, Lennon, Segovia, Randy Rhoads, Skynyrd with Ronnie and the others they lost, and Layne Staley who sang with Alice in Chains would be up to today. Especially with the new technology we have today. :)
 
-Danny

I also had similar thoughts at first. I mean, we sometimes tend to have a romantic vision, thinking that people like Hendrix could do no wrong and that he would have kept on re-inventing the wheel and lead the way into using the technologies we have access to creatively. But, as much as I hate to admit it, maybe Hendrix would be yet another boring old fart. Probably one of the coolest boring old farts in the universe, but still...


But when I look at people like Jimmy Page, I'm glad they're still around (even if only to make sure that no one butchers Led Zeppelin albums by remastering them the way Deep Purple albums were butchered, for example.) Despite all the drugs and partying, I think Page now ages gracefully. It was so cool to watch him teach a lesson to the Edge and Jack White in It Might Get Loud (no matter how technically sloppy his playing can be, there's something so genuine and vibrant about it).


I remember when Ronnie James Dio, Iommi and the rest of them put out that Heaven and Hell album in 2009. Probably the most interesting and valid heavy metal album I've heard in ages. Leave it to a bunch of dinosaurs to teach the kids a lesson. I'm not too inclined to nostalgia, but I really didn't feel like that album was about nostalgia. They definitely had a good heavy metal album in them.

Danny Danzi

yorolpal


I will take the diametrically opposite view and say that most, if not all of them, would be either irrelevant or marginalized.  There would be exceptions, of course, but most would be trapped inside their time windows as "clues to the new direction" and would quickly find themselves superseded by younger artists...who, in like manner, would become footnotes in musical history as time progressed.  Or not.

You know olpal, when I first started reading this thread, my comment was initially the same as yours. Then I got to thinking a bit about the hero's we still have left with us today.
 
Most of them are still larger than life and can sell out arenas, ya know? Clapton, Page, Plant, Stones, The Who, and heck, even Van Halen has done well with their recent tour in spite of what they have put fans through for the past 10 years.
 
So in my opinion, the hero's we all know and love would always have a place at the top of the ladder due to defining something original or even something that was just mind-blowingly great....don't ya think? Sir Paul still does well, you know Ringo still packs them in....even the ones that have had really severe drug or alcohol additictions seem to still be going strong even if their mind and bodies may not be what they used to be. Kiss, Ozzy, Wayne Newton, Pat Boone, Tom Jones...some of these people, others would argue as being worth a mention. I'd agree as well in certain situations...however, they stood the test of time and may not have been innovators...though some clearly were in other aspects.
 
So I definitely think the stars that have left us would still have something going on. The talent that surpasses them will always be in the picture. The key thing in MY mind is...it's easy to take something that someone has created and make it better...but could the person making it better create it? As long as someone is/was an innovator or some sort of dominating force for something, I believe they will always hold a little more clout.
 
Kinda like Eddie Van Halen getting the credit for tapping when each and every one of us can name players that did it before him. I remember Frank Marino doing it long before EVH. But, back in those days, it was a no no. Time passed and Ed put a different spin on it...next thing you know, it was accepted and he's the creator. :)
 
Anyway, I would love to hear where Hendrix, Robert Johnson, SRV, Buddy Holly, Lennon, Segovia, Randy Rhoads, Skynyrd with Ronnie and the others they lost, and Layne Staley who sang with Alice in Chains would be up to today. Especially with the new technology we have today. :)
 
-Danny

+1

It's also the thing particularly with the guys I was mentioning where there is some element of personal loss too, there is the thing that none of these guys would be doing anything else instead.  They were just muso's through and through, none of them got into it in order to build a career they just wanted to play and developed their own thing, which in some cases brought fame and the idea of being at the top of the game as a by-product.

It's part of an old tradition of travelling minstrels that's been going for 100's of years particularly in the UK and those guys were just part of their time segment of that ongoing thing.  I know plenty that were around and 'big names' at one time that are just as happy playing little venues locally and paying their bills just doing what they've always done and still getting better at it.  The fame bit is just part of the passing scenery for those guys.

You can't get sidelined by any business if what you are doing is exactly what you've always loved to do and can continue doing it.

jamesg1213

Moshkiae

John G got his chops in "Carmen"

You know, I just cannot remember that, no matter how many times you tell me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen_(rock_band)
 
It's not for everybody ... it's fandango rock music with a very liberal helping of Spanish folk music all over the palce into a hybrid mix that is ... totally bizarre for most folks here.  And hearing the lead guitar pull off some spanish guitar riffs on an electric guitar is something that you would think some of those metal'ists would appreciate ... but it is simply too bizarre a context when it is compared to much simpler music! Start with "Bullerias" on the first album and end it iwth "The Gypsies' (title cut) on the 3rd album!

With Jimi due to record with Miles, I always wonder what we missed. With Gil Evan orchestrating Hendix's work, the potentilal for that melting pot was massive. I'm not sure what muscians like Hendrix would be doing now, but I do feel like there was a phase of music we lost due to their untimely departing.

Miles was pretty much all said and done IMO, but he could have gone so much earlier and with about 6 distict waves of music he spearheaded, we could of just had one

I think that about the 2000 he would have given up the guitar altogether and told folks that he was tired of the rock idol thing, and if people were not going to take his music seriously, then he would never play his guitar again.

To be fair, he was almost there during his last years and well before he was ill.

What he achieved with the soulless Synclavier was amazing - what he could do with todays practically infinite combinations of synths & sample libraries would I'm sure have inspired him to even greater heights.

He could, at last, have listened to his own compositions as he intended them to be played - something which eluded him for practically all of his professional career, with the exception of maybe the Ensemble Modern on "The Yellow Shark"

jamesg1213

Moshkiae

John G got his chops in "Carmen"

You know, I just cannot remember that, no matter how many times you tell me.

James,


U B Funny.


Bapu.

bapu


Pedro,


There are no new notes.
There's only one note.
All others are just variations on a theme.

It will be posted in my wall as a reminder!   AND I promise to get a cheapie digital camera so you can see it in the pic!