I keep wondering, now that he knows what they are, if Beagle is willing to bite cankles to get becan?

"There aren't enough Mac users who want to use something that isn't Apple."


+1


The Apple People develop a blind spot and can only think "Apple". They get so brainwashed that they consider Steve Jobs was a really terrific guy when in fact he had erased the thin line between being prickly and being a prick. 

We're actually in agreement here Backwoods.

backwoods


"There aren't enough Mac users who want to use something that isn't Apple."


+1


The Apple People develop a blind spot and can only think "Apple". They get so brainwashed that they consider Steve Jobs was a really terrific guy when in fact he had erased the thin line between being prickly and being a prick. 

People are happy being blinded by over-generalizations on both side (the above statement demonstrates that). ;)


I use Logic because it suits my needs and of all the ones I've tried it's the most efficient to do what I am trying to do. Obviously, the fact that it is an Apple product running on their OS and their hardware probably helps.


Whenever I switch to other applications, I do find myself missing the little extras - like being able to use the trackpad to navigate through the project, to zoom in and zoom out, and other such things that make working in Logic a breeze. But even w/o those little things, it'd still be an incredibly powerful application.

In other words, I don't use Logic because it's an Apple product - I use it because it is frickin' great (and I thought it was a great piece of software way back in the eMagic days). 

It's a rather bold statement to put a label on all Logic users based on an assumption (furthermore when that assumption is based not on facts regarding the actual product but unfavorable bias towards a company and a certain category of users).

You are right as rain, Mr rain

But it must be said that Apple does have alot of fanatics- sort of like Nintendo or something like that. So does Sonar too of course :)

Growing up, Mum and Dad bought us kids an Amiga (what an awesome computer that was!) but the first coimputer I ever bought was a macbook with a trackball- mid 90's.

Logic has slipped behind the competition in everything but price (where I feel it leads the field, better than reaper even). I don't think Apple is interested in it. They want to move iApps. I will be interested to see Logic X, if it ever eventuates.

Sorry if I offended Rain.

So should Sonar be ported to anything?  Linux..

It remains to be seen if Microsoft will continue to write an OS that will support Sonar. The backward compatibility with Windows 7 in Windows 8 comes with warnings from MS that eventually they will be moving to all Metro at some time in the future. Metro does not even come close to being a viable platform for serious audio work in its current form, and in the event that it does add the direct access code that would bring latency within a useful range, it would require pretty much a re-write of Sonar to run it on Metro. Linux remains a very iffy development platform. There is no guarantee that development will follow any given path in the future. One cost of free is that volunteers may not be interested in writing the code you need. Of course, Microsoft is not that predictable either apparently. Maybe the solution is for a consortium of DAW developers to take on the design and support of a Linux sound library that will run high end audio applications.

No offense, man. I'm well aware that there's a lot of zealots onboard w/ all things Apple. Usually, if I meet a musician or a producer who isn't working w/ Pro Tools, most of the time, it's because he's done his homework and didn't just succumbed to hype. (That's an over-generalization right there concerning Pro Tools users, I know... ;)

A lot of the Logic users I know are also older folks who've been using Logic since way back or have used different things like Cubase and Sonar before - the people preoccupied w/ trendiness seem to have gravitated towards Live, Reason and Pro Tools LE.

Still, I don't see how you can put forward a comment such as "Logic has slipped forward the competition in everything". Do you have any first hand experience w/ it? Can you tell me where it falls short of meeting your demands? 

Honestly, most of the complains I've heard were voiced by those "international DJ" who are such pros that they can't even pick the right tool for the gig. User's mistake 90% of the time.

Logic 9 came out 3 years ago. It was the first to implement swipe comping (which others are starting to borrow), Varispeed, and other such features which have yet to make their way into, uh, Sonar, for exemple. 

I mean, it's not because Presonus "borrowed" the GUI and the Cakewalk borrowed that same GUI and went on to implement things like screensets (which have been in Logic forever) that Logic fell behind them...

Apple users will tell you that they don't have to deal with any issues when dealing with a mac, unlike a PC........Then get a load of apple users together, and when they think there are no PC users listening, then they open up and they are start whinging.

 

slartabartfast

So should Sonar be ported to anything?  Linux..

Maybe the solution is for a consortium of DAW developers to take on the design and support of a Linux sound library that will run high end audio applications.

I like this idea...  :-)