Scoot


Apple users will tell you that they don't have to deal with any issues when dealing with a mac, unlike a PC........Then get a load of apple users together, and when they think there are no PC users listening, then they open up and they are start whinging.

 

Yet another over-generalization which only contributes to stall the discussion and make sure that we never get above a certain level. You know that some people don't define themselves as PC users or Mac users just like there's dumb people on the corner of every street in every city -  regardless of whether they use PC or Mac, they're still dumb.

I used too build own my PC - now I'm on Mac. So what.

You're on PC - does it mean you never had a GF, and that you spent every Friday night of the last 20 years playing Dungeons and Dragons - because that's the only social life you have -  that you eat nothing but Pizza Pockets and soda pops, wear white socks, and have posters of Xena all over your studio walls (which is located in your parent's basement?)

Rain

You're on PC - does it mean you never had a GF, and that you spent every Friday night of the last 20 years playing Dungeons and Dragons - because that's the only social life you have -  that you eat nothing but Pizza Pockets and soda pops, wear white socks, and have posters of Xena all over your studio walls (which is located in your parent's basement?)

WOW!

Seems like I'm a true die hard PC user after all...

I actually feel like I belong for once in my life.

Just a point though, I do eat cereal as well.

WT? is wrong with white socks?

:-S







Try bleaching black socks and see how that goes. Same thing for the argyles.

:-)

To be clear I've nothing against Macs other than the idea that one day they may become compulsory.

I also stated that I don't intend to get connected to any of Apple's milking machines subscription services any time in the future.

That has nothing to do with bashing Mac users, but I do enjoy doing that also.

Rain

Scoot


Apple users will tell you that they don't have to deal with any issues when dealing with a mac, unlike a PC........Then get a load of apple users together, and when they think there are no PC users listening, then they open up and they are start whinging.

Yet another over-generalization which only contributes to stall the discussion and make sure that we never get above a certain level. You know that some people don't define themselves as PC users or Mac users

And many do. My comment was regards those that do, and with them the generalistion fits, these were DAW users.

My experiences with iTunes and iPods, both of which I still use, have been enough to put me off Apple

You're on PC - does it mean you never had a GF, and that you spent every Friday night of the last 20 years playing Dungeons and Dragons - because that's the only social life you have -  that you eat nothing but Pizza Pockets and soda pops, wear white socks, and have posters of Xena all over your studio walls (which is located in your parent's basement?) 


It's like John Maclean said in Die Hard 4 when the terrorist complained that someone had bought him to the "command centre". "This isn't a command centre- it's your parents basement". And hey, what's wrong with Zena, lucy Lawless is a good New Zealand girl. Unfortunately, she is a bit of a monkey-wrencher, save the environment born again hippie nowadays. 



I've used 7.2 extensively and i'll give you screensets. Can't say that Sonar has copied swipe comping alas. 

But about the GUI I wouldn't agree. Logic feels archaic to me. Very un-Apple. You might as well say Sonar and Presonus stole the Project 5 gui. That would be more accurate. 

Scoot


My experiences with iTunes and iPods, both of which I still use, have been enough to put me off Apple

I've used Windows ME. Windows suck. :s

Many Mac users do define themselves as Mac user. And if you rely on internet forums to make an opinion, you might get quite a disproportionate ratio.

Most of the musicians and producers I meet have one thing in common - they don't care. That's why they use Mac. They don't care that a finely tuned PC blows any Mac out of the water. They don't care that you can tweak Windows to cook your breakfast or skin it to look like a Mac. Typically, these guys are the extreme opposite of the obsessed geek who builds his PC, shops around for the latest components and constantly tweak his machine. My brother-in-law is the extreme example of that - he still runs an old G4 and PT MIX hardware. He's also one of the most talented mix engineers I've ever met. 

In fact, the more you meet, the more you realize that they are the exact opposite of typical compulsive Mac-addict. A lot of them run dated machines, legacy hardware, OS 9, Pro Tools 5 and whatnot. 

backwoods


You're on PC - does it mean you never had a GF, and that you spent every Friday night of the last 20 years playing Dungeons and Dragons - because that's the only social life you have -  that you eat nothing but Pizza Pockets and soda pops, wear white socks, and have posters of Xena all over your studio walls (which is located in your parent's basement?) 


It's like John Maclean said in Die Hard 4 when the terrorist complained that someone had bought him to the "command centre". "This isn't a command centre- it's your parents basement". And hey, what's wrong with Zena, lucy Lawless is a good New Zealand girl. Unfortunately, she is a bit of a monkey-wrencher, save the environment born again hippie nowadays. 



I've used 7.2 extensively and i'll give you screensets. Can't say that Sonar has copied swipe comping alas. 

But about the GUI I wouldn't agree. Logic feels archaic to me. Very un-Apple. You might as well say Sonar and Presonus stole the Project 5 gui. That would be more accurate. 

7.2 came out in in what, 2006? Of course by today's standards, it's behind the competition. Version 8 was particularly painful it seems - because that was a transition period. Kind of like X1 when it cam out.

But 9 is a different story. I'm not even waiting for 10. I could say that I'd like a better freeze function - though I am getting used to bounce in place. Sonar has the best Freeze implementation, imho. 


Inspector on the left, tabbed views at the bottom, browser on the right - Studio One even replicates the large transport at the bottom.

I'm not going to pretend that Logic is perfect - and GU-wise, it is a bit boring. Though at least it is consistent, and there's nothing that jumps out as offending to anyone w/ a sense of aesthetics. I do hope they bring back a bit of contrast.

The thread was not about mac vs pc.  Sonar is already working on PC...  Not to mention the fact, that we are a few years shy of complete cloud deployment of our music tools.

For all we know, Muto had to Re-code, re-write or, "whatever," digital performer because they want to deploy on Windows Azure, instead of, "Candy Apple," or whatever snazzy name Apple is going to come up with next."