Linear Phase


The thread was not about mac vs pc.  Sonar is already working on PC...  Not to mention the fact, that we are a few years shy of complete cloud deployment of our music tools.

For all we know, Muto had to Re-code, re-write or, "whatever," digital performer because they want to deploy on Windows Azure, instead of, "Candy Apple," or whatever snazzy name Apple is going to come up with next."

My answer to your original question was that I didn't care one way of the other as I'll be continuing with the PC anyway.

What's the best that's going to happen when you bring up the idea of a Mac version of a native windows app?  It was bound to descend into PC vs Mac debate, there is a universal law that states it has to...

I'm looking forward to when we can all argue the case for our favourite mobile devices and handsets, there is so much more scope for more diverse and elaborate flame wars in the future...

Not to mention the fact, that we are a few years shy of complete cloud deployment of our music tools.

Are you sure about that, have you seen the plans for Bitwig which is currently in beta, seen the Propellerheads new plug-in format, bought anything from the 'Custom Shop' of your favourite Amp Sim lately?  Complete deployment maybe some ways off but there's plenty of it arriving daily already.  Can you even buy Logic in a box anymore or even from an independent reseller as a download (I don't know the answer to that btw)?

I've seen the future and currently it's looking like it's all gone 'pear-shaped'.

backwoods


"There aren't enough Mac users who want to use something that isn't Apple."


+1


The Apple People develop a blind spot and can only think "Apple". They get so brainwashed that they consider Steve Jobs was a really terrific guy when in fact he had erased the thin line between being prickly and being a prick. 

Actually, this is not what I meant. And I'd say you're wrong in your statement there by the way. What I meant is that Apple users lean towards using Logic for the reasons Linear Phase said in the OP. And this is a rather important part of this whole thread and this is also the reason why MOTU port DP to Windows for example. I wasn't intending to slam Apple nor their users. Also, that quote is related to Mac DAW users, of which there aren't many compared to the Windows counterparts, not everyone else.

I actually had hopes that this thread would have a reasonable and healthy discussion - since the OP actually had some well thought out points. Well, whatever Maybe next year?

I have to say, though, Apple haters are so much more annoying than the Apple fanbois IMHO. I don't even see the point to be so angry about one or the other. Apple is Apple and Windows is everything else. And it's the world's most used platform. Don't worry, Windowsers already won

But both Windows and OSX are great platforms and they run on excellent hardware. We can do whatever we want no matter what we choose to use - except when they crash, which both PC's and Mac's do all over the world at every second of the day. Mac's just have a much better way to deal with it - but my PC is cheaper.

BTW - my DAW is a PC, my live laptop is a PC, my office machine is a PC, I have an iPad, and iPhone and I'm saving up for a Mac Mini to use as a media centre, I use both Macs and PC at the post studio I freelance in and I can't stand Pro Tools - but I still work in it when I have to Either way, I try not to be biased towards anything. But what I prefer is Sonar X1 on a PC

In an attempt to de-rail this de-railed thread to where it started: If Sonar was ported to Mac, it would be a disaster for Cakewalk. I can agree. The development and support costs, I'm guessing based on what they say about DP, would be too much compared to what revenue Cakewalk would make of the Mac users who bought Sonar, of which there wouldn't be that many - I'm sure. Not that Cakewalk completely ignores Mac users, their instruments are Mac compatible and now z3ta+2 is being ported to Mac as we speak. So not making Sonar Mac compatible is probably a well calculated desicion. However, I think it would not be that hard as it were ~10 years ago since the hardware architecture is almost identical these days. But what do I know, I'm not a programmer. Either way, I'm happy that Sonar is what it is and that they manage to keep the price low.

As far as the future goes - we're already screwed! Ever used Google? Then they own your arse! But that's a different thread

Rain

Scoot


My experiences with iTunes and iPods, both of which I still use, have been enough to put me off Apple

I've used Windows ME. Windows suck. :s

Many Mac users do define themselves as Mac user. And if you rely on internet forums to make an opinion, you might get quite a disproportionate ratio.

Most of the musicians and producers I meet have one thing in common - they don't care. That's why they use Mac. They don't care that a finely tuned PC blows any Mac out of the water. They don't care that you can tweak Windows to cook your breakfast or skin it to look like a Mac. Typically, these guys are the extreme opposite of the obsessed geek who builds his PC, shops around for the latest components and constantly tweak his machine. My brother-in-law is the extreme example of that - he still runs an old G4 and PT MIX hardware. He's also one of the most talented mix engineers I've ever met. 

In fact, the more you meet, the more you realize that they are the exact opposite of typical compulsive Mac-addict. A lot of them run dated machines, legacy hardware, OS 9, Pro Tools 5 and whatnot. 

I've already stated I'm reverring to people I know. Brighton in England probably has more Macs per population that the rest of the UK. I'm not relying on the interent, I'm stating my experience
 
My issue with iTunes is it's got worse, iTunes store has lost fuctionality. Trying to get through to their customer services is a ball ache. Its not the blissful experince Mac users tell you to your face, but more the experience they tell each other
 
 

Roland dropped 29 yen just yesterday. That was 4.73% of it's value.

A few years ago that would have only been a 0.9% hit.

It dropped from 679Y to 584Y in the past 8 days... and that's more like 14%.

Cakewalk is pushing copies of Ozone Stutter edit to keep the keeping on, keeping on.





Maybe Z3tA sales for Mac will turn it all around.

If that happens... well, you know what's next.

Bright shiny iPads for eveybody!!! Oh yeah I forgot... no iOS support. :-S




I'm stocking up on strings for my acoustic guitar.

I actually had hopes that this thread would have a reasonable and healthy discussion - since the OP actually had some well thought out points. Well, whatever Maybe next year?

Threads only degenerate when somebody gets angry and personal at the fact that someone has an opinion that differs from their own.

I pointed out that I'd answered the OP's original question in full.  I always tend to stick to the point of principle that seems relevant to the discussion.  I've noticed that's when people start getting nasty and personal.  A good recent example I stick up for the no advertising rule in the TOS people start hatin' or adapting that condition of the TOS to where it suits them.  To be fair though more people spoke out in favour of the stance I took than those that took umbrage.  I NEVER get personal until I'm first attacked and end up needing to defend my stance....period.

Why do people feel the need to comment on the commentary?

I think Apple have aims for monopoly that make anything that MS have done look like they are a freindly local community store in comparison.

That's how I see it.  I can't help it. So why damn other folk for having an opinion?

Disagree with an opinion by all means, share your own views it adds to the discussion. Commenting on the commentary in order to sanctify a personal view of yours however is destructive.  IMHO of course.

I find it an increasingly scary phenomena that folk will more readily attack a peer on a community in order to support a coporate interest, and notably, usually one they've already bought into.  Fortunately I think it is merely because these forums are very male oriented so most good sense that would normally be available to a community is clearly absent.  I can't see any past or present partner of mine thinking of supporting a company with advanced orders because the TV remote only works in certain circumstances and she'd hope that by ordering in advance in continued support of the manufacturer  that they would have the funds to fix the issue and come up with a better product in the future which is a rationale often seen here.

Again that's only my lil' ol' view on the subject.

btw did anyone have an answer to whether Logic was available anywhere other than from Apple?

Relax Jonbouy - I only meant that this shouldn't have become a Mac vs PC debate, of which there are more of on the internet than there are pebles in Wales, but a debate about why Sonar shouldn't be ported over to Mac. I hope that is clear from the rest of that post you've partially quoted there. If not, thenI can tell you now that it was what I was trying to say.

Commenting the comment is what took this thread further off track and I agree, it's stupid. I commented back when something was commented already and tried to set it straight. As far as geting personal, nothing here was personal until someone hinted that all Mac users are stupid - which is a load of BS no matter how you put it and will surely offend people.

As far as what else you write there, I don't understand it because it doesn't really relate to what I've tried to put forward in all my posts in this thread. If what I wrote come across as personal, I apologise - that was never my intention.

If your entire post is in response to what I wrote, I think you read too much into a small part of what I wrote. No need to worry, we're all friends here

I've used both PC and Mac, and back when I had a signmaking company, both at the same time. Can't say that either would make me a rabid supporter, they both did what they were supposed to do.

Relax Jonbouy

I'm always relaxed, even when I take on the role of pantomime villain and folk start to boo and hiss...

No I wasn't citing you in particular in commenting on the commentary, you just fed me the best example of it so far in this thread...  It isn't that people have conflicting views that is a problem it's when the emotionalism gets attatched to one side or another when things go downhill, that's what I was trying to illustrate in my observations that extend outside of this particular thread.

Ah, gotcha. He he, I just hate having quotes taken out of context. Then it ends up being a useless bicker about semantics where no one understands eachother and it's just a waste of time.

BTW the quote, it's a joke - post #2 or #3 or whatever said there will be another thread like this in January 2013 according to the regular schedule. There's was a smiley there too

But hey, is it just me who thought Linear Phase had some good points? And Rain has chimed in with some good points too, although mostly buried in the "off"-topic. McCue has a really good one. So did Slartabartfast.


Maybe we've said it all already?