@Mooch4056 Ha thanks! *As I order him a beer Really though, I do have Sonar installed and use it from time to time. My main daw has been Reaper for the last few years though. Different workflows, though when I started with my production I started with Kinetic, moved on to kinetic 2 and still use the plug ins and most all the loops. My favorite synth is still Z3TA+ too, though I need to try the newest version.