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2016/04/19 11:51:17
razor
Hello Everyone--
 
I feel like I've finally got the routing set in kontakt so every piece of the kit is routed to its own dedicated track in Sonar--except...
 
When I play the snare, it routes to two outputs in kontakt, and so of course it also routes to two tracks in Sonar.  
 
I went ahead and took some screen shots of the routing configurations for both the kick and the snare. Every other piece of the kit routes correctly to it's own mono track, but when I hit the snare, it routes to the snare output and track, as well as the kick output and track.  I posted this same help request on the NI forum, and the screenshots are there: https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/kontakt-abby-road-drummer-routing-in-sonar-issue.269469/#post-1466445
 
Even when I hit the kick, it only routes to the kick output and track.
 
Please take a look at the linked screenshots of both kontakt and Sonar for the kick and the snare and see if anything jumps out at you--or even if you have some ideas on what I might try. I've tried a lot of things, and nothing works, but of course, I've missed something or this wouldn't be happening--I've used kontakt drums in multiple projects and I've never had this happen like this before.
 
Thank you so much!
 
 
2016/04/19 12:30:48
subtlearts
Well clearly if it's somehow on both Kontakt outputs, it will be on whatever Sonar inputs those outputs are routed to, so the problem would seem to be in Kontakt rather than Sonar. Someone on the NI forum mentioned the possibility that the bottom mic is somehow hard-routed somewhere other than where you want it to go; did you try reversing the output routing for kick and snare and see if it still bleeds across? 
 
Alternately, is there a send set up somewhere in the instrument? I'm not an absolute expert at Kontakt routing but I know there its mixing architecture is complex enough that there can be sends squirreled away in there... 
 
that's all I've got I'm afraid... 
2016/04/19 15:58:51
robert_e_bone
I believe SOME of the kit pieces are mono, and others are in stereo, at least that is the case with some Battery 3 kits.  I believe that may well play into why certain drums may use both left and right channels of a given output, such as 1/2.
 
Just as a test, try taking a different project or saving this one off under some temp name, and then set it up so that the snare and kick are on completely different output channels, and not splitting between left and right of the same stereo pair (1/2).
 
Then see what happens - I would think this problem would go away in that case, IF my theory of one or more kit pieces are set up as stereo and others are not.
 
Bob Bone
 
2016/04/19 19:18:50
razor
subtlearts
Well clearly if it's somehow on both Kontakt outputs, it will be on whatever Sonar inputs those outputs are routed to, so the problem would seem to be in Kontakt rather than Sonar. Someone on the NI forum mentioned the possibility that the bottom mic is somehow hard-routed somewhere other than where you want it to go; did you try reversing the output routing for kick and snare and see if it still bleeds across? 
 
Alternately, is there a send set up somewhere in the instrument? I'm not an absolute expert at Kontakt routing but I know there its mixing architecture is complex enough that there can be sends squirreled away in there... 
 
that's all I've got I'm afraid... 

I'll check that. I did mess with switching the routing around with no success, but I'll try reversing them.

thanks
2016/04/19 20:03:04
razor
robert_e_bone
I believe SOME of the kit pieces are mono, and others are in stereo, at least that is the case with some Battery 3 kits.  I believe that may well play into why certain drums may use both left and right channels of a given output, such as 1/2.
 
Just as a test, try taking a different project or saving this one off under some temp name, and then set it up so that the snare and kick are on completely different output channels, and not splitting between left and right of the same stereo pair (1/2).
 
Then see what happens - I would think this problem would go away in that case, IF my theory of one or more kit pieces are set up as stereo and others are not.
 
Bob Bone
 


Hey Bob

In Abby Road the kit pieces are all mono. The overheads are the only stereo outputs I'm using.
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